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Okay, question. I've been running DC simulations using Inside the Casino's live craps games and info from Heavy's post on DT's procedures on lay bets. My question is should you EVER take down a DC bet? What seems to be working best is if I use a reverse 5 count and put out a DC bet, then only leave it up for 3 or 4 inside number hits it stands a pretty good chance of winning even on hot hands. I've been told before not to ever take down a don't bet once it's established but taking it down seems to be a better option to keep losses to a minimum. Also, is turning OFF a DC allowed or does it depend on the casino? Thanks for your input
I do it all the time. 2 ways. If it is a 6 or 8, I give it three rolls and down OR convert the bet to a place bet. I also take odds on every DC or DP that gets a number no matter what. 6 and 8, I usually lay $12 to $18 in back, 5 and 9 get $15. Not sure why you'd turn off a DC that has moved to a number.
Most casinos will not let you turn off a doc or a do. They make you take it down. Conventinal wisdom ( i.e. Math guys, casino personnel etc. ) will always tell you not to take it down. Ummm, how many players come out ahead of this game using Conventinal wisdom. ???? Also, my personal preference on laying the odds, is to increase my original flat bet. Problem with odds is that if you lose one bet, you must win TWO bets to get back to even. If you lose one flat bet, you only have to win one other flat bet to get back to even. Three rolls for 6 & 8, five rolls for 5 & 9, forever on 4 and Ten. Take me down is the most powerful thing in the game of craps.....your friend....rick
All established Don't bets can be taken down or reduced whenever you like. The casino lets you do this, not out of the goodness of their hearts, because in all cases an established don't bet is in your favor. I never take down don't bets or refuse their action. If I truly don't like my DP/DC traveling to a 6 or 8, I'll toss out a similar sized place bet on the number.
Thanks guys. All food for thought and good feedback. I need to get to the casino and test on a live table. I just like the idea of DC since it's more disguised than a DP. We have a couple of die hard Dark Siders here in KC and I've never seen anybody get heat for it, but my friend Bill told me people started talking to him again when he switched from don't to do again. I'm not on the table to make friends tho - I want as much $$$ as I can get
KC: LOL on the cold shoulders. Most folks can't get it thru their heads that a don't player is not betting or playing against them. They can't fathom that if both sides are not very close to equal, the game will not work. Let's just say misery loves company. Personally, you need to be able to play both sides to your advantage because sometimes, that table is not trending your perferred way.
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KC: never take down a don't; if you get squirmy, place the number for a similar amount, that way you get a push, or a slight profit and are poised to possibly transition, good luck, D.N8r
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