Baccarat

[heavy]

The "quarter" story reminds me of a time when I saw an Asian lady walk up to the table with a double handful of chips. She held her hands about two feet about the center of the layout and dropped the entire double load, then told the dealer to let them play wherever they landed for one roll. Dealer's straightened up some of the bets and the shooter tossed the dice. She left the table with a couple of chips while the dealers cleaned up her mess. Yeah, she lost. Great strategy.

[al_falcons]

I am ready for the Bac Fest #1!!!

[Bones]

The First annual Bacc Fest was a tremendous success. All attendees had a great time. Well, it was myself and AlFalcons but we did have a great time, even made it to a few craps tables and in the end we ended up with a modest withdrawal from the Casinos.

As I continue my journey along the Baccarat Trail I have realized something that most Realistic Bacc players know even though it's taken me quite a while to realize it. One size fits all does not occur at Baccarat.

Bacc Systems work great........ until they don't.

Now days i'm still squeezing out small wins by watching for certain trigger situations that seem to win more often than not.

My favorite trigger is a run of 7 players or more. If i happen upon a table and see a string of 7 or more player hands I start salivating and start a small progression, betting it will flip and go to Banker. And this is because according to the Bobbybones Mathematical theory 10 players will continue to 11 only once every hundred times. Patience is a virtue as 7 player hands in a row do not happen that often.

I know the "Math" folks will say it's the the same 50/50 chance as last hand but Not in My world.

Also working on a couple of other triggers that currently only occur 3 times per shoe, so it is very hard to sit for 1 hour 15 minutes and make 3 bets. Need some more triggers.

Anybody out there on Team Baccarat have any triggers they look for.

[al_falcons]

hey there Bones. Yes it was a good time and we actually did a lot better at the craps tables than the baccarat tables. Why don't you tell the story about the 30 minute wait for players to call their family members to all bring $10,000 to the table to bet on banker?

[Bones]

Gretins Alf;
yah,it was shear madness at the Bacc table. A husband and wife started betting against a run of 3 Player hands. And the Player hands kept coming. About the time 7 player hands had accumulated this couple had reached the table max of $10,000 and could not continue their progression and hope to recoup their losses. A friend of the couple asked myself and wife to please not bet so the table could not proceed. On a side note, the Grand had begun to deal free hands at the beginning of the year, this was great for me as i don't bet every hand however, for some reason they stopped the free hand option. The IP will deal up to 5 free hands per shoe and the Golden nugget will deal free hands as well.

Anyhow, the husband and wife team reappear with several family members and now with all of them betting they could continue the progression. Unfortunately another player hand appears. Now several of them are at the $10,000 table max bet as well as table max on the Dragon bet and the Tie bet.

Banker hand finally arrives and although they won they were still down a tidy amount. MYself, well I started betting my progression at the 6th player so I was thrilled to win my paultry $20.

IN appreciation of us waiting they paid our commission that we had accumulated during the shoe $4.25. I don't remember what their total commission was but it was a crazy amount.

THEN;
The following day another bacc player that was not a participant in the craziness was there and I asked her what she thought about that debockle.
She responded "yeah, last night" But it was early afternoon. And she proceeded to tell me the same scenario kicked off later that evening and they lost everything. Said they were all crying hysterically as the limped away.

Ouch.

I've seen that couple several times since and they now betting with red chips.

I walked away up $90 and continue attempting to just chip away at a win. The advantage of living close to the Casino's Heavys Mantra works well for me.
Get in Get up and Get Gone

BB

[wild child]

Baccarat became my sit down game to await an opening at the craps table(s) and several places impressed me with
the choices in free lunch and beverages they spread out for active players in the table area
..Also impressive the generous upscale restaurant comps .......far more than the craps pit

Several times I have seen way more $$$$$ put to risk of loss at Baccarat and Mini Bac
with far fewer players seated than I have observed at a craps table jammed elbow to elbow.....

Have you observed that at times far greater number of TIE HANDS and more back to back
repeats of two ,three and four repeats in TIE HANDS occurring during final 30 hands in than in
the first 30 hands ?

Have you noted any difference in runs of " 0 "or "X" Player relevant to the decks being
cut thin-deep or near the precise middle ?

Some players have mentioned a few old saws...I have not observed enough to have an opinion.

W C

[Bones]

Gretins WC;
Yes indeed, it does appear that way more $$$$ appear on the Bacc felt, although it may seem like more as the black chips are in one neat stack as opposed to spread across the craps layout.

I've seen four tie hands in a row. I read awhile back that instead of betting the Tie wager just bet somebody that the sun will explode tomorrow. lol. I'm pretty sure it's a high vig bet. But Imho the trends do occur. I rarely take advantage of the wonderful Dragon bet, although at times it will appear more often in one shoe and not another. One chap bets the tie when the total of player hands equal the banker hands. It worked on that particular day.

I will start paying attention to the place the cards are cut and results of that shoe, it's probly just part of the mystery as well as the fact that the seating positions lack the number 4. Bad juju. I know they make u cut at least one inch from either end of the 416 card deck. Also noticed that if I cut the deck my throat is usually included.

Not much superstition at the bacc table, lol, never heard anybody take their bets down cause the drink lady came by or dealer change occured. However, bets are usually taken down after a tie, go figure.

Also noticed that the seasoned bacc players are extremely interested in the value and suit of card that is cut.

Also interesting are some of the terminology. If B or P wins 7 to 6 they say Barbecue. If Banker and player each have three and an 8 is flipped over to the player the hand stops and it's a 38 special.

Most common is when u are hoping for a picture card to come you yell "Monkey"

Wonder if this is just in the Coast area or all over?

BB

[Tricky]

I found a good book on baccarat, one of the employees at the Gamblers Bookstore recomended it.
Power Baccarat 2 by Byron F. Hebert
One of his strategies, is somtimes the tie bet comes in play. I reviewed some of my old sessions and could see it would have worked a good amount of the time.

[Bones]

Gretins T;
Thanx for post, i'm not sure I understand the "tie bet comes in play" theory, i'm a tad slow cud u pls explain further.



Thanx
Bones

[Tricky]

Gretins T;
Thanx for post, i'm not sure I understand the "tie bet comes in play" theory, i'm a tad slow cud u pls explain further.
Thanx
Bones

In the book he describes looking for clumping of the tie or even back to back, then he begins betting the tie for the next 7 hands in a roll. Going back through about 100 or so old sessions I found it to hold true in the small sampling I went through.

[Bones]

This is a shoe from today. I record the results in columns 7 down. X is Player 0 is Banker. The red dashes under a result are tie hands.
I don't usually record tie hands but it looks like this shoe would have been a winner for the clump together idea. If I am understanding the betting sequence the first tie bet might have missed but the next five tie bets would have hit.

I left this table shortly after the 9player hands as this is one of my "Beware" triggers, lol, welcome to my world of insanity.

I was able to continue recording from the table I moved to which ended up having only 3 tie hands the entire shoe and the system probably would have missed once. Will keep watching, but not quite ready to begin betting on the tie.

I just missed the card cutting ceremony that WC mentioned but will keep an eye on that as well

[Bones]

Well, went back and looked at my shoes for past 3 months (56 shoes)

Betting that banker will reappear within next three hands with a 3 step progression is apparently a losing proposition, go figure.

3 banker went to 4Banker 105 times
BBBP went to BBBPB 39 times and BBBPP to BBBPPB 22 times Of course the bad news is it busted 25 times and with a 3 step marty each loss is 7 units for a loss of 175units compared to 166 unit win. The casinos are not worried.

Overall a 9 unit loss, plus commission. Works better with just flat betting that 3 Banker hands will proceed to 4. However, the net win is 19 units over 56 shoes. The commission would hurt, really hurt and make this a painfully slow death in the end.



Basically, this was simply betting against a player run after three banker hands appear.
In the end waiting for 7 players hands and betting they will not continue using a 4 step progression is still a good trigger bet, not a guaranteed winner but a good bet, In My World.

[relus]

I play EZ Baccarat at the 'Gold Coast' in Vegas. No banker commission. As of Dec. there are 4 EZ Baccarat tables in this particular casino.

[Bones]

I played EZ Bacc several years ago in Vegas and was initially confused as to why there was no commission being charged. It was Great, however, I was told there is a disadvantage on hands that end up with a Banker hand 7 and overall it is not a good trade-off, but i'm not really familiar with the EZ bacc. Perhaps one of the other more astute Bacc players can explain it.

[wudged]

EZ Baccarat actually has a lower edge than traditional baccarat.

EZ: 1.02% http://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/ ... ezbaccarat
Traditional: 1.06% http://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/

The trade-off is that in exchange for not paying commission, a 3-card banker win with a total of 7 is a push instead of a win

[SHOOTITALL]

Guys: Believe it or not, I would like some input on Baccarat.
What is the best book to buy covering this subject, your personal opinion. Bones, I would certainly like your input. I cannot stand at the craps table for long sessions anymore. I do very well at hold'em but again I cannot do tournys because I cannot sit for 14 hours a day. I go to the bathroom a lot with the pills I take.
I'll just blame it on the doc-doc rather than age.
Anyways, all input appreciated. sia
Oh yea, Tricky: I have ordered Power B. 2 will get it in a week or so. tks for that input. sia

[Bones]

Sia;
I found a book in a thrift store awhile back published in 1985 by John Patrick, there is probly a more up to date version around. "Learn How to Win" So you wanna be a gambler! "Baccarat" I thought it was ok.
Bones

[Bones]

EZ Baccarat actually has a lower edge than traditional baccarat.

EZ: 1.02% http://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/ ... ezbaccarat
Traditional: 1.06% http://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/

The trade-off is that in exchange for not paying commission, a 3-card banker win with a total of 7 is a push instead of a win

Wudged

Thanx for the info. Why in the world would the Casino make Bacc "Better" for the Masses?
Bones

[wudged]

It's much easier for dealers to pay even money than to have to figure out commission. I'm not sure how it works in Biloxi, but in AC they like to add up all the commission and keep track of it for each player over the course of a shoe. This adds more calculation problems, plus it creates another issue because a lot of the players either don't (or pretend not to) speak English, and will leave the table without paying up. However, when I played in Vegas the commission was taken out of every hand which eliminates this secondary problem.

Semi-related - I've also read reports of casinos offering both games, and with dealers rotating in and out of both, sometimes they forget to take commission on the traditional game and sometimes will pay a pushed banker bet on the "dragon" hand at the EZ game.

[relus]

The side bets are what the casino makes money on which more than makes up for the 5% banker commission. Posted here are the payout rules for the side bets. When I am playing, everyone except me is putting an average of 5.00/10.00 and up on these ridiculously bad bets.


http://www.hollywoodindiana.com/Casino/ ... 20Baccarat

Lyle Stuart's book is the best on Baccarat. Follow the trend and don't bet every hand! Patience will serve one well in the long run! I don't treat this as a short term game.

http://www.amazon.com/Lyle-Stuart-Bacca ... 599&sr=1-4