Revisiting "one hit can't miss"

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Re: Revisiting "one hit can't miss"

Post by DarthNater » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:15 am

Very good, I like that outlook. Am doing much the same with my straight out book of rolls. More soon, DN8R
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Re: Revisiting "one hit can't miss"

Post by DarthNater » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:48 am

I got asked the other day if I still play the OHCM...... sure do .... and figure it’s time to bump this thread. I also like to lay single odds on the DP to protect both 6 and 8 place bets. Get the hit and pull the odds

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Re: Revisiting "one hit can't miss"

Post by SHOOTITALL » Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:25 am

DN: I had forgotten about this thread. Really some insightful stuff here. I truly enjoyed rereading and thinking on the various scenarios mentioned. Great fun. sia
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Re: Revisiting "one hit can't miss"

Post by DarthNater » Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:13 am

SHOOTITALL wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:25 am DN: I had forgotten about this thread. Really some insightful stuff here. I truly enjoyed rereading and thinking on the various scenarios mentioned. Great fun. sia
SIA,
Great to hear from you.

Any new or recent musings on the OHCM that you’ll like to share? For instance, since the vegas reopening, I find I start play a lot more on the DC to dodge the sheriff, deputy and the 6/8.

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Re: Revisiting "one hit can't miss"

Post by Big O » Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:26 am

I find I start play a lot more on the DC to dodge the sheriff, deputy

The dark side is still relatively new especially since i have hardly played since i started experimenting with it. I have read this comment from more than one dark sider. So if i am understanding correctly you feel the DC is safer from the sheriff and the deputy than the DP?
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Re: Revisiting "one hit can't miss"

Post by DarthNater » Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:25 pm

Big O wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:26 am I find I start play a lot more on the DC to dodge the sheriff, deputy

The dark side is still relatively new especially since I have hardly played since I started experimenting with it. I have read this comment from more than one dark sider. So if i am understanding correctly you feel the DC is safer from the sheriff and the deputy than the DP?
Not necessarily, more of a recent inclination based on observations that since re-opening in June, everything seems harder on the dark side, and for that matter the right side too, these days. Basically I feel the percentage of choppiness is much higher than before Covid. Plus, personally, I see a lot more come out 6s, and 8s that for me cramps maximizing the OHCM strategy - so I either fall back to only one of the two being live or take a second number outside to hit once.

There's also lately so many come-out sevens that setting a DC for OHCM has been working better of late, plus I sense there's a bit less volatility, DN8R
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Re: Revisiting "one hit can't miss"

Post by onebok » Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:28 am

Since Covid made casinos raise minimum bets, it certainly causes greater discomfort when losing each larger betting unit using OHCM.

Also, it seems that more and more casinos are keeping minimum bets at least at the $25 level. A couple weeks ago I stopped by Baltimore's Horseshoe and MD Live. Live had only 2 tables open at the $50 level at 1pm on a weekday and they were full(6 players with all sorts of metal posts and plastic obstacles.) Horseshoe had no tables open until 4pm and would be at $25 or $50 minimums.

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Re: Revisiting "one hit can't miss"

Post by 220Inside » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:27 am

onebok wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:28 am Since Covid made casinos raise minimum bets, it certainly causes greater discomfort when losing each larger betting unit using OHCM.

Also, it seems that more and more casinos are keeping minimum bets at least at the $25 level. A couple weeks ago I stopped by Baltimore's Horseshoe and MD Live. Live had only 2 tables open at the $50 level at 1pm on a weekday and they were full(6 players with all sorts of metal posts and plastic obstacles.) Horseshoe had no tables open until 4pm and would be at $25 or $50 minimums.
While it was already heading this way, I think that we will see the demise of the $5 tables as part of whatever the new normal looks like. Low end tables will now be $10 and $15. Low rollers will need to adapt.

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Re: Revisiting "one hit can't miss"

Post by Parson » Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:59 am

22Inside wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:27 am
onebok wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:28 am Since Covid made casinos raise minimum bets, it certainly causes greater discomfort when losing each larger betting unit using OHCM.

Also, it seems that more and more casinos are keeping minimum bets at least at the $25 level. A couple weeks ago I stopped by Baltimore's Horseshoe and MD Live. Live had only 2 tables open at the $50 level at 1pm on a weekday and they were full(6 players with all sorts of metal posts and plastic obstacles.) Horseshoe had no tables open until 4pm and would be at $25 or $50 minimums.
While it was already heading this way, I think that we will see the demise of the $5 tables as part of whatever the new normal looks like. Low end tables will now be $10 and $15. Low rollers will need to adapt.
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Re: Revisiting "one hit can't miss"

Post by 220Inside » Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:20 pm

Parson wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:59 am I played a ten dollar table last sunday morning, two things

1 I had almost forgot how to bet ten dollar table
What do you do differently on a $10 table that you don't do on a higher minimum table? Why?
Parson wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:59 am
2 so much junk going on in the center and slow play it was miserable
I don't think the abundance of center table action is all attributable to it being a $10 table.

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Re: Revisiting "one hit can't miss"

Post by Parson » Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:28 pm

22Inside wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:20 pm
What do you do differently on a $10 table that you don't do on a higher minimum table? Why?

Its not that i really do anything different, it’s that i had not done any progressions since about February on a $10 table. I am used to the $25s. Same goes for $15 for me, which i still find regularly... i was never used to them, more so now.

You do lose less, which can be better.
Parson wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:59 am
2 so much junk going on in the center and slow play it was miserable
I don't think the abundance of center table action is all attributable to it being a $10 table.
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Correct there are always going to be center action bets .... although some casinos require higher bets on center play, than others, ive seen some refuse $5 horn hi _____ on a $25 table .... but on that ten dollar table, it was miserably slow ... on that Sunday morn.
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Re: Revisiting "one hit can't miss"

Post by HowieHops » Thu May 05, 2022 9:20 pm

Heya folks, I wanted to bump this thread again to get some additional insights on OHCM variations. I have become quite fond of OHCM, but always have to deal with the Sheriff and Deputy.

In the earlier thread posts here I saw some mention of using a DC after the point is set, would like to expand on that.

Or maybe just lay the point if it is not a 6 or 8 to avoid the comeout, but the higher lay bet cost is a factor as well.

Also it seems that if the point is a 4 or 10 there is a tendency to leave the placed 6 & 8 up to possibly run a bit, maybe some feel that way about the 5 & 9 as well. I have run Heavy's 4 hit 6 & 8 progression from the OHCM as well.

I think the OHCM as a hybrid approach is a pretty good way to transition on a changing table or obviously a choppy table.

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Re: Revisiting "one hit can't miss"

Post by Parson » Thu May 05, 2022 9:51 pm

I have pretty much stopped the ohcm, if the point and dc are 6&8 i will place them … and wait a decision…. But i have gone more lay on the dp and dc if not the 6&8 here of late, that being said, i had dc 4&10 kill me on randoms last weekend.
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Re: Revisiting "one hit can't miss"

Post by heavy » Fri May 06, 2022 12:33 pm

i had dc 4&10 kill me on randoms last weekend.
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Re: Revisiting "one hit can't miss"

Post by wild child » Fri May 06, 2022 1:12 pm

heavy wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 12:33 pm
i had dc 4&10 kill me on randoms last weekend.
Fives and Nines are my bane. Those suckers get knocked off every time I lay odds on them. Still, I keep throwing them up there. Trust the long run.
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Re: Revisiting "one hit can't miss"

Post by DarthNater » Sat May 07, 2022 8:13 am

I’m still a big fan of OHCM. That said verrrry seldom do I get four hits, let alone three hits.

I also like a DP and a DC flat and can use them with the place 6 & 8.

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Re: Revisiting "one hit can't miss"

Post by chuckindice » Mon May 09, 2022 8:15 am

OHCM used to be one of my favorites. But then I switched to a model that seems to work better for me. (Not saying it's a better strategy. Just that it's what I prefer doing.)

1. Flat bet on the DP to get a Point set.
2. Place $32/34 inside (minus point). If Point is 4/10, I usually just go with 5/6/8. Sometimes only 6/8.
3. After 3 hits, I pull the DP and ride out the light side/modify/press with no risk.

Maybe after 3 hits, it would be better to Place the Point? I've never done that before.

Anyhow, it's not "one hit" but it still gives me the protection I'm looking for against early 7s.

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Re: Revisiting "one hit can't miss"

Post by Z-Axis » Mon May 09, 2022 3:36 pm

I use OHCM as a go to opening on the green chip tables that seem to be default on the weekend Vegas strip.

A small change is applied when 6/8 is a point. When the point is a 6, I place the 5. Similar with the point of 8, place the 9.

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Re: Revisiting "one hit can't miss"

Post by Tgold » Tue May 10, 2022 2:14 pm

I like the OHCM(or a slight variation) so I cant call it ohcm(+ sometimes my version misses).

I use this type of method primarily when a shooter seems to be in process of a good hand(lets say 6-10 tosses) and repeating box/ points,...etc. Like many I would be contemplating jumping in yet in the back of my mind Im reciting the toss count/ want to get at least one hit with the least risk.

My variant is to do PL(or D) at approx 60-66% of the combined 6/8 action(80-60-60) as the 80 is 66% of the 120 Plc wagers. I WOTCO and it may or may not be following a just made point and may be on a Come. I then remove the laggard 6 or 8 and send it through the Come shute. If nothing has won I get the remaining 6 or 8 and run it through the Come shute. My thinking is with >=11 ways to win the probability is in my favor that I will see at least A(one) hit within two tosses. My goal in this specific situation is to get at least one paying hit prior to losing all three.
I prefer the DP/ Dc over the P/C setup (unless the entry scenario is as mentioned above). Sometimes I will send the DC out as a doey-dont with the same Net-DC $ wager, so that I would have the option to take odds at a later stage for a partial hedge (dependent on stage and number).

*A good friend used the above with a DP or DC (instead of a PL or C). He has played this way for approx 30 years and makes solid claims he is a long-term winner with it. However , he utilizes a slow negpro with 8 levels, and like many low HE slow negpros they have potential to be a net long-term winner but the NET may be very small. Im suggesting his long-term Net wins could also be at least partially due to the negpro and not totally from his wagering regime.
He does have losing sessions. He said for about 25 years he only did the DP w 6/8 but now he will do a PL instead for about 30% of the time ( He will also sometimes send a DC out to replace that initial PL when the PL wins the first time(initial point).

*He still speaks incessantly about the time a random shooting lady(she was initially shaking the dice cupped in both hands & bouncing them all over the boxmans chips, out of the table,...etc ) and many rolls were about 2/3 of the way down the table. He was complaining to the dealers that her rolls should be declared "no rolls", & they laughed at him. He was doing the DP w 68 wotco and she tossed six 7s and a yo, lol, of course clipping all his wagers and busting his buyin. He just walked away shaking his head.


Good thread/thx for comments,
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Re: Revisiting "one hit can't miss"

Post by DarthNater » Thu May 12, 2022 12:59 pm

Z-Axis wrote: Mon May 09, 2022 3:36 pm I use OHCM as a go to opening on the green chip tables that seem to be default on the weekend Vegas strip.

A small change is applied when 6/8 is a point. When the point is a 6, I place the 5. Similar with the point of 8, place the 9.
I do this a lot as well.
I also have played it at the $50 strip tables, where I do a $50 DP, then if the 6/8 becomes the point, I place both six and eight at $50 each. It pays $58 on the hit , it’s a grind, as I don’t like to have that DP knocked off

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