I need some ideas for replenishing hard way bets... I use a 64-55 set and focus on the H4/10s. I'm on a $15 table. I've been booking $130/135 Across and regressing to 78/81 Across after two hits. This allows a $15 bet on the Place 4 and P10. If I lost a $5 H4 or H10 bet to a soft 4/10, I'd just replenish it from the Place bet payoff (and take the P4 or P10 to $25).
Lately since a dice tossing tune-up, I'm betting $25 on the P4 and P10 at the start (with the Inside numbers @ the minimums) because I'm getting better at hitting the 4/10s. When I hit the H4/10 @ $25, I'll pay the $75 to push that specific HW number $100, and rack up $100. I leave the Place bet at $25 (I take the whole $49 payoff). My thinking is, I'll "lock" $150 for the H4 I just hit and with no monetary impact to my rack, I'm lurking for a $700 payoff--and if a soft 4 kills my HW bet, I'll use the P4 $50-for-1 payoff to replenish the empty H4 slot with a $50 bet.
I've only stayed on the table a couple times after the $100 H4 or H10 has hit. My plan for when the $100 H4 hits is to press the H4 to $150 and the Place 4 to $75--but it's just a plan. Usually I just turn everything off and color up.
Recently, as I reported in another thread, I hit multiple H4/10s and pressed them from 100, 150, 200, 300, but I didn't have a real plan for skimming HW winnings to press my Place bets. My only thinking took me to betting about half the HW amount on each Place 4/10 so I could recoup enough to replace the lost HW bet in total. That plan doesn't profit at all from a soft 4/10 and I wonder how you'd bet so that that omission isn't built in.
So this is me asking all ya'll for a plan of aggression to see what might be the best way to run a tandem between HWs and Place bets as the HW bet grows (IF you actually wanna protect it with your Place bet).
Thank you, Guys!
How do you "back up" your hard way bets?
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Re: How do you "back up" your hard way bets?
This is a multi-layered affair, since you want your Place bet on the even number to pay sufficient to replace your Hardway bet plus lock up a profit in the event the number rolls easy. Then you want to spread the profit from your hardway hit around, locking up a portion of it as profit while pressing the remainder among hardways and Place Bets. At least that's how I would look at it.
Now it comes down to apportioning how much goes where. Let's assume you want to lock up at least 50% of each hit as profit and reinvest the other 50% on even numbers. And if the number rolls easy you'll spend no more than half of your 50% replacing the Hardway bet and use the other half pressing the number that hit. Say it's the Four. You have it at $50 and have a $20 Hard Four out there. It rolls easy. You get paid net $95 on the Four and lose the Hard Four. You replace the Hard Four for $20, put $50 in the rack, and press the Four to $75. Yeah, you had to take $5 out of the rack to pay your vig to do all that with the $100 payoff on the Four. Close enough. Now let's say the Four rolled Hard. You get paid $95 net on the Buy bet plus $140 on the Hardway. It's easy for me because I always double my Four and Ten witht he Payoff. Drop $5 and tell the dealer to make the Four look like $100. When they cut out the $140 for me I take $70 and press it to $90 (you could take 80 and go to 100 if you like easy to calculate payoffs) and then I'd take the remaining $70 and split it between my two dominant numbers in the hand. Most likely the Six and Four or the Eight and Ten. So probably $30 pressure on the Six and $40 on the Ten. If I wanted, I might split the $40 in to $20 pressure on the Nine and Ten. But you get the drift. As an alternative, I might consider pressing the Six by $30 and then pressing my Hardways all $10 each.
So, there you go. Not too complicated. Just takes a little bit of thought.
Now it comes down to apportioning how much goes where. Let's assume you want to lock up at least 50% of each hit as profit and reinvest the other 50% on even numbers. And if the number rolls easy you'll spend no more than half of your 50% replacing the Hardway bet and use the other half pressing the number that hit. Say it's the Four. You have it at $50 and have a $20 Hard Four out there. It rolls easy. You get paid net $95 on the Four and lose the Hard Four. You replace the Hard Four for $20, put $50 in the rack, and press the Four to $75. Yeah, you had to take $5 out of the rack to pay your vig to do all that with the $100 payoff on the Four. Close enough. Now let's say the Four rolled Hard. You get paid $95 net on the Buy bet plus $140 on the Hardway. It's easy for me because I always double my Four and Ten witht he Payoff. Drop $5 and tell the dealer to make the Four look like $100. When they cut out the $140 for me I take $70 and press it to $90 (you could take 80 and go to 100 if you like easy to calculate payoffs) and then I'd take the remaining $70 and split it between my two dominant numbers in the hand. Most likely the Six and Four or the Eight and Ten. So probably $30 pressure on the Six and $40 on the Ten. If I wanted, I might split the $40 in to $20 pressure on the Nine and Ten. But you get the drift. As an alternative, I might consider pressing the Six by $30 and then pressing my Hardways all $10 each.
So, there you go. Not too complicated. Just takes a little bit of thought.
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Re: How do you "back up" your hard way bets?
Thanks, Heavy! That's kind of what I arrived at after much mental convolution. In a minute I'll post a Trip Report and you'll see what I did with everything I learned in the last coupla weeks.
But the essence of my solution to this problem was that I had decided to book a 25-10 ratio on the Place -Hways on the 4s and 10s, which looks almost 'zackly like your advice I think.
Thanks again. b
But the essence of my solution to this problem was that I had decided to book a 25-10 ratio on the Place -Hways on the 4s and 10s, which looks almost 'zackly like your advice I think.
Thanks again. b