Tunica Cotton Patch roll numbers and bet Analysis

[wudged]

Yes. it is true the person standing next to you in the casino can imitate your bets. However that person will not know why you made the bet.

You are saying that if I said what bets I bet on using the method (using the 3 sessions here) it wouldn't matter because no one would know what triggered the bets. That's not true. By analyzing the numbers leading up to the bet a person might surmise why I made a particular bet. That is why I will only post results.
Scribe

Fair enough - I'm not trying to pressure you into it or anything - I just don't see how it's any different other than the numbers are already here for you. Not that anybody would really do it, but there's nothing to stop somebody in the casino from recording the rolls at the same time as watching your betting pattern and analyzing it from there.

[Mad Professor]

Just out of curiosity, back when Steve Nelli was posting on John Patrick's m-board, I think he mentioned that there were something like 1000 to 1200 successful 'Method' students doing battle out there in the green-felt jungle.

Is our friend Scribe the only successful Method-user on this board, or are there more 'undeclared' ones here too?

MP

[al_falcons]

Glad to finally see some more chatter on this thread. I have already combined all the rolls into 1 mega WinCraps roll file and ran it through many of my favorite methods. The methods that came out the best were dark side methods. Some of my right side methods made a small profit. The session 3 had the 53 roll hand and all of the right side methods posted here made most of their money in session 3 from that one hand. Pretty much broke even for the rest of the session. From what I remember from that table we had a few random shooters at the table, but mostly DI shooters.

If someone can tell me how to post straight from Excel into this forum, that would be nice, because when I do it, the format gets messed up. I had to transpose these into rows instead of columns which doesn't look that great.

heavy 18 6&8-steve3 30, 42, 12: -189, 110, 497
heavy 18 6&8-steve6 30, 12,18, 30, 42, 12: -119, -147, 433
30-6&8 all the time: -155, 100, 545
Nellie System by Scribe: 185, 81, 108
Steve 3 plus pass25-100: -224, 90, 922
Al Falcons 2 hits and press $12 6&8: -68, 49, 397
nueral W7, 4 level progress - start over with going back to level 1: 80, 108, 123
Al Falcons Don't $10 Loss Progression 5-loss $2000 bankroll: 160, 216, 92
cowtip loss progress 30 max bet: -17, -26, 11

[al_falcons]

Scribe and all,
Here are the rolls from session 4
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6
7
10
6
4
9
10
5
7
9
9
6
11
8
7
9
11
5
3
6
4
3
9
5
11
5
6
7
8
8
9
10
11
8
7
5
5
10
9
6
11
6
6
6
12
7
6
8
7
3
7
5
7
8
9
8
9
6
5
7
4
9
3
4
7
10
12
9
10
5
8
8
8
9
8
4
5
10
8
2
10
7
5
9
11
6
5
4
7
4
6
10
4
5
7
5
3
5
7
8
5
5
11
2
10
7
8
9
8
11
4
7
5
4
7
5
5
7
8
4
2
3
2
5
7
6
10
4
9
7

From the timestamp on Laguna Flats' sheet, and my records, I believe I missed this session and went to bed before it took place. The next session that I was at the table with Laguna Flats was session 7 and the last one session 8. But sessions 4,5,6 I was playing somewhere else or driving Amish Dude to the airport. There are 4 sessions that I know I played with LF and the guys that happened after session 8, but I didn't take a picture of LF's charted rolls for those sessions.

[amish dude]

yes al_falcons did drive me to airport and i highly praise him for that

[WOLFBYTE]

Al Falcons, All.........

I just got off my online real $$$ Craps betting site. I use :

www.Bovadacasino.com

It was BoDog Casino but they are running one step ahead of the bogus US .... "NO ONLINE US PLAYERS ALLOWED TO PLAY ONLINE "

special-intrest regulations.

They are a super-good Canadian Indian Online Casino. My last FedX check for + $500.01 was from them.

You can play in " practice mode " or for real $$$. I have found the RNG's in both modes ....ARE THE SAME ! .....nice !

I played practice mode....charted outcomes.....saw a RNG outcome pattern.....bought-in 5 days ago for + $100.00 (VISA ).

Using the ' Neural Neg. Progression ' and playing $1.00 or $2.00 progression craps....

this morning my account sits at ... + $575.00.

I think I hear the FedX truck getting ready to make another run to my Kings River home ?

WARNING :

Never, ever take a sign-up bonus. IF YOU DO....BLACKJACK,CRAPS,ROULETTE AND BACCARAT ....DO NOT COUNT FOR YOUR PLAY-THROUGH

CASH-OUT REQUIREMENTS !

Anyway.....................................

I ran your new session #4 Tunica #'s.... along with session #1 through session #3's numbers over the only winning way to play the rolled numbers......

The way to walk away with exactly ..... + $ 3,000.00 NET PROFIT, OFF YOUR POSTED NUMBERS is to use my " 3+ Capping Craps System " and

hooking it into a $200.00 Neural Progression.

Yes....I know.....a +$ 200.00 progression is steep....but....I took a $1,200.00 buy-in to + $12,000.00 playing what ended up a +200.00 starting

progression, playing roulette ....doing just that !

It all comes down to faith. I got my " faith " in betting at that level, by back-testing real, recorded, roulette #'s (Zumma ) for 5,000 times

before taking it to Vegas on six 12 hour long turnarounds.....

So......back-testing your Tunica numbers, using the above systems = :

A]......Total Rolls = 503
B]......Total net $$$ won = + $3,000.00....exactly 3K net !
C].....Total time for rolls = 283 minutes ...or... 4 hours and 42 minutes.... ( Zumma roll stats. used in calculation )
D].....Total $$$ won per minute of standing at Tunica craps tables = + $ 10.64 per minute !

The Neg. Neural Progression = .... 200, 400, 800, 1,600.


How exactly did all this work ? .... I am glad you asked :

EXAMPLE :

Session #1 & #2 :

PL win
Pl win
PL win
DP win = " above PL wins now " capped " by this DP win. Betting + $200.00 DP next...
DP win = + $200.00 ...net.....waiting for next " 3+ capping " set-up to manifest....

DP win
DP win
DP win
DP win
PL win.... Above DP wins now ...." capped " by this PL win...betting PL for $200.00 next....
PL win .... = + $200.00....waiting for next ... " 3+ capping " to set-up....

DP win
DP win
DP win
PL win ...... " Capped " ....betting 200.00 in PL box next....
DP win ..... = - 200.00 .....betting 400.00 in PL box... for next bet....
PL win ..... = + 400.00 win or .... + 200.00 net for this play.

So it went through ALL your numbers.... It NEVER GOES ABOVE THE +$400.00 BET LEVEL IN

ALL OF THE 503 ROLLS.....sweet !

I do not know why this happened ?
DI Voo Doo-ing ....perhaps ? ....hummmmm ?

Thoughts ?
WOLFBYTE
aka : W7

[heavy]

I do not know why this happened ?

Superior skill from well trained DI's shooting the shit out of the dice.

[WOLFBYTE]

Yo, Fellow, 25-Watt Power Generators......

I can not seem to shake the fact the the 503 roll outcomes.... did NOT GO ABOVE THE SECOND PROGRESSION LEVEL ! ?

......yep ! ....for 503 rolls !

Looking at Al Falcons starting session #1 it went like this :

1]......3 = + $10.00......( Neural )
2]......6, 2, 9... [ 10* ] ...2,11, 6. = -$10.00 ( Neural )...When the 10 rolls we lay-bet $500.00 that the 7 will come up before the 10 repeats...( 2 to 1 odds )
3]......3 = + $15.00........(Neural )
4]......7* = -$10.00 ( Neural ) & our " * No 10 " Lay Bet comes in = + $250.00.*....( Hank's System )
6]......8, 9, [ 4* ] 5, 8....... = - $15.00 ( Neural ) & $500.00 Lay-Bet on the mid-rolled play.....waiting for the 4 or the 7 to show next.....
7]......5, 7* = +$25.00 ( Neural ) & the ' 7 ' shows = + $250.00* .....( Hank's System )......
8]......7 = -$15.00 ( Neural ) ......
9]...... 8, [ 4*], 11, 6, 7* = + $25.00 ( Neural ) & the ' 7 ' again...
shows = + $250.00* .... ( Hank's System )......

So...it goes...for 504 rolls.....

It is important to take down all DP lay bets....on the mid-rolled plays that six rolls are thrown.... on with NO outcomes.

I am impressed with the Tunica shooters. They showed streak-winning in a " Cluster " and they would lose.... in a " Cluster. "

It was just as:

www.beatthecasino.com
..... says happens.

Thoughts ?
W7

[WOLFBYTE]

Yo........

I DID NOT include O'l Hank's Craps System in AL F's recorded numbers. I did on my own charted -

copy ....but I forgot to add them into the Tunica on-line roll post.

When the 4/10 System fails, O' Hank's Craps System steps to cover the 4/10 losses. When Hank's System fails the 4/10

covers it's losses....

To me, winning at craps is all about covering my losses.

Anyone can win....it's over-coming losses that counts.

So........ above is the first 9 plays Al F. posted from session #1. I will continue to post the plays exactly as I would

have played the roll outcomes.

What I am posting is the real-way I am playing. In my last Tahoe trip.... the above back-tested methods generated

mult. 4- figure real table cash ( $$$$ ).

To be continued..................

Thoughts ?

W7

[WOLFBYTE]

Good Sunday, Earthbound Generators .......

Continuing Al Falcon's session #1 :

10......9, 7 = + $15.00......( Neural System ) ...no Hank's & no 4/10 Systems... in play.

11......8 [4*] [10*] 9, 5, 9**... 8. Six rolls-and-DOWN on Lay bets, rule**...-$10.00 ( Neural )

12.....3 = + $15.00 .....( Neural System ) ....no other bets......

13.....10...as point = no Hank System in play because shooter has short history of throwing 4/10's...
......... play goes....10 as point with $10.00 Neural bet in DP box...so... taking full 6x odds = + $60.00
with a level #2 lay bet of + $ 300.00 .... " No 10. " The roll continues.... 10-6-9-9-6-9....six rolls
past total...including the point of 10....therefore.... ' DOWN ON THE LAY BET '....stay UP on odds bet...

roll continues @......8-8-6-11-12-3-2-8-6-7. We win our Neural DP box bet of $10.00 & our odds
bet of ... + $30.00.

14.......6-3-7 = .....+ $10.00 .....Neural bet.....no other action....

15.....9-9 = ....... - $10.00 .........Neural bet....no other action....

16......7 = ........... - $15.00 .........Neural bet.....no other action...

17.......10 point = + $25.00 in DP box with full 6x odds of + $150.00 & + $300.00 level #2
over-lay bet on point of ' 10. ' = 10-9-5-9-6-8 *** = six rolls rule = ' Down on over-lay
bet = ...off on $300.00 lay bet...roll continues ....11-7. We win + $75.00 odds bet & $25.00
Neural DP box bet......no other action.....

18......5-6-7 = .... + $15.00 = DP Neural box bet = + $15.00....no other bets.....

19.......2 = ........ + $10.00 = DP Neural box bet = + $10.00 .....no other bets......

20...... 7 = ......... - $10.00 = DP Neural box bet = - $10.00......no other bets......

We could have stayed ' UP ' on the 4/10 lay-bets....It would have made several hundred dollars
to do so.....hummmm ?
Once the 4 or 10 points are up we have 2 to 1 odds, on the DP side, that
the seven will appear before the 4 or 10 point comes back.

End of early-Sunday's back-testing......
The losses are coming........
Thoughts ?

Party On...........
W7

[WOLFBYTE]

Yo, Earthbounds.............

What the hell did I do wrong, in a previous life, to have to live in this hell-hole Ca. Central Valley ?

It has been 100 degrees for Months ! Here it is... Oct. 1st....and what is the temp. going to be today ? ....

....+ 102 degrees....again !

I live within earshot of the F-18 Navy base...LNAS. We/It are 24 degrees and 20 minutes North of the Equator.

Our exact-reflection South American City ( 24 degrees South of the Equator ) is Buenos Aires Argentina.

It was 64 degrees high with a 59 degree low ....yesterday in B.A, Argentina.

They are going into Spring/Summer where we are going into fall/winter........living in

each, twice a year, to capture both Springs......... would be a hoot !

Anyway, I drift............................

I am re-working the 35,000 Zumma real recorded rolls from ' The Four Queens' & ' The Golden Nugget ' both

found in DT Vegas. I did not use Hank's Craps System until the 20,000 roll mark the last time I ran it over my

4/10 Craps System.

I only used the Neural and the 4/10 System.....but....now with Hank's system added...WOW !...

A 40% up-take on the net is the case.........sweet !

This morning right before sitting at this computer, I ran page #139.

In 45 minutes, it generated :

............ + $1,995.00 net .......... sweet !

What was the kisser was Hank's system DID NOT kick-in. It was all Neural and 4/10 System plays.

Opps ! ...................
it is lite outside....got to do watering and yard work....NOW !....before the heat sets in at 10:00AM (PST).

Later....................
Jim
W7

[WOLFBYTE]

Yo...Fellow Earthbound, Carbon-based Units.......

After hearing the most-excellent results from a ChristChurch, Aust. watch-the-watch trance

guy ( He was on Coast to Coast radio, two weeks ago ) and seeing how down-to-Earth he was....

I spent + $59.00 and bought his 5-disk CD kit on self-trance weight loss.

I have used two of the disks once each. jessssssssss ! ... he uses a slight re-verb when he

trance-talks and the two times I have used them they have put me to sleep. He says that is

alright to go to sleep because our sub. -con. mind will hear him while we are asleep.

Well..... it seems to be working..... food no longer has my interest....Wowzer-Dowzer this

weight loss program may ....have legs ?

He says the program is based on over 20 years of ' watch-the-watch ' work ?

His messages are hidden in his CD's .....so.... I have NO IDEA what he is feeding me ?

For all I know....he could be saying.... " You WILL rob 7-Eleven's on your way to the Casino's ! "

Anyway.......................

I hope someone will record the real rolls at Heavy's Vegas gig ? I would slip over and do it

myself ( I may still attend ) but we will see how this Thursday's junket-trip to Laughlin goes ?

BACK ON TRACK....TUNICA NUMBERS @ SESSION #1 :

21...........7 = ....... -$15.00 in DP box....no other plays....
22..........5, 7 = .... +$25.00 in DP box....no other plays....
23.........6, 8, 7 = ....+ $15.00 ...in DP box....no other plays.......
24.........3 = ............+ $10.00 (Neural Progression ) ....no other plays....
25.........7 = ............ - $10.00 .........no other plays.......
26........5, 7 = ......... +$15.00 (Neural ) .....no other plays.........
27........8, 9, 8 =...... -$10.00 ......no other plays..........
28.......9, 6, 5, 7 = ... +$15.00.....no other plays...........
29.......4, 9,3,4 = ..... -$10.00 in DP box & - $60.00 full odds = - $100.00 on over/lay bet.
level ( A ) bet.... in a 4/10 Point progression ( 3 steps = A,B & C ) ....
30..... 7 = ................ -$15.00...Neural bet....no other plays.........
31.....10,12,9,10 = .....-$25.00 ...Neural bet.... NO other bets because of the rule of
waiting for a non-betted 4/7 or 10/7, to pass, ( capping ) before resuming the 4/10 point
progression..............
32.............5,8,8,8,9,8, [ 4*] 5 = Bet into Hank's DP system with a $500.00....' no 4 ' lay bet.
A " STOP BETTING " Neural bet of + $40.00 in the DP box & +$40.00 in the PL box... waiting
for a non-betted win to ' pass-us-by ' before resuming the Neural progression. Waiting for Hank outcome...
33........10,8,2,10 = .....NEURAL ' STOP-BETTING ' in play = + $40.00 in DP box & +$40.00 in PL box.
No 4/10 point progression play because a non-betted 4 or 10 point win has NOT passed us by yet....
34.....7 =......Doey-Don't ( $40.00 each ) still in-play = zero win or loss on Neural....We collect + $250.00
on play # 32's + $500.00 ' no 4 ' Hank-play.

The above plays are based on over 60,000 real-recorded dice throws. The rules are based on trial and error
testing.

I use, and trust, these 'rules ' when using real $$$$ in real Casino play.

To be continued ....
WOLFBYTE
aka: W7

[Mad Professor]

I hope someone will record the real rolls at Heavy's Vegas gig ?

I hope so too, W7. I would like to tack them onto the Testing, Testing project, and apply the MP $204-Across Regression (as well as all of the other betting-methods we are testing in that undertaking) against them.

MP

[WOLFBYTE]

Yo, Kinred 25 Watt Generators........

WOW ! ....tonight has been awesome...I was turning-off street lights, right and left, as I drove

from Wal Mart.

I was NOT paying attention....until the lights suddenly " exploded " and blew-out

as I drove under them..... WOW !

O' and Montel Williams both have done one hour programs on this. It is

called.... " Street Light Sliders. ".....Google !

I am not going to lay-out anymore of the Tunica numbers. They are NOT typical of what you

find on the standard craps table......99.8% of the time.

Instead, I will chart-out one hour sessions from the RR'ed Zumma Craps System Tester Book.

That way ....you can check-out my charting by following along in your Zumma book, page by page.

W7

[WOLFBYTE]

Hello, Good Day......

This early morning, I completed running.... ' O'l Hank's Craps System ' .... married with the ' 4/10 Craps System ' & glued

together with Martin Silverthorne's ... " Neural Craps System .' All #'s are from Zumma's, most excellent, Craps System Testing Book.

This was the first time I used Hank's Craps System with the 4/10 Craps System. It adds a lot more $$$$ to the bottom line.

I am only 1/2 way though Zumma's 35,000 real recorded rolls book. They were recorded at the Four Queens and at the Golden

Nugget in DT Vegas.

Below are the net $$$ harvested, page by page, using the above systems. I am starting on page #98 because pages #1 through

#97 are in another book that I loaned-out.

PAGE NUMBER # :

98..........+$2,035.00
99..........+$1,150.00
100........+$2,100.00
101........+$1,830.00
102........+$2,230.00
103........+$2,260.00
104........+1,200.00
105........+$1,115.00
106........+$1,125.00
107........+$1,475.00
108........+$420.00
109........+$1,175.00
110........+$1,765.00
111........+$1,900.00
112........+1,050.00
113........+$1,490.00
114........+$1,230.00
115........+$985.00
116........+$1,130.00
117........+$2,540.00
118........+$1,375.00
119........+$1,605.00
120........+$1,065.00
121........+$2,005.00
122........+$1,930.00
123........+$2,020.00
124........+$1,605.00
125........+$845.00
126........+$1,625.00
127........+$1,240.00
128........+$1,330.00
129........+$1,675.00
130........+$715.00
140........+$1,485.00
150........+$2,235.00
151........+3,210.00


Page #151 is my last handicapped page. It took 54 minutes to roll 103 rolls.

At the end of the page, there were 19,168 rolls completed prior to page #152.

Below is the 4/10 System, Hanks System and the Neural System as they unfolded and played out.

A [ + ] is a DP win and a [ - ] is a PL win.

I used a $10.00 eight step Neural game [ 10,15,25,40,65,105,175,275 ] to get to the ' real $$$ '

plays found in the 4/10 System and Hank's System :

1....... - = -10.00
2....... - = -15.00
3....... - = -25.00 = 9-[ 10*]-9 ......Hank's System* sets up...waiting for a seven or a 10 for plays outcome.....
4....... + = + 40.00 = 5,7 = #3's play pays......... +$250.00.
5....... - = - 10.00 = Neural Play ......The correct Neural play is to drop down one progression rung to a $25.00 bet...but...
we are not interested in making a 20-unit game-ending profit ( +$200.00 ). By going from a +$40.00 win all the way back to
the base-unit bet of 10.00.... we have more progression-protection steps to work with.

6......... + = +15.00 Neural & the rolls go.....5... [10* ]... 7 = Hank's System* kicks in = +$250.00 net....
7......... + = +10.00 Neural....no other bets........
8......... - = -10.00 Neural play ....no other bets......
9........ + = + 15.00 Neural play...The rolls = 6, [4*], 7 ....Hank's System* = +$250.00...net.....
10....... - = - 10.00 Neural play ....no other bets....
11........ + = +15.00 Neural play...no other bets.......
12........ - = -10.00 Neural play ...no other bets.......
13........ - = -15.00 Neural play ....no other bets....
14........ - = -25.00 Neural play .....no other bets.....
15........ - = -40.00 Neural play.... PL win, PL win ...then C/0 point of 4...goes [ 4/4] ....However, the two previous, same shooter outcomes, were PL wins...so.. NO 4/10 SYSTEM
When this point comes up as a C/O 4. The PL winning 4/4 DOES set-up the [ A ] qualifier on the 4/10 System.
The 4/10 System progression plays out as a ...A,B & C stepped-progression. We want the very best odds, in our favor, for the ' C '

The ' A ' bet is ALWAYS a lay-bet loser = 4/4 or 10/10.

The " B " small or non-bet is to ....MAKE SURE.... the 'A ' bet ...DOES NOT..... run, on and on ... ie... 4/4,10/10,4/4, 10/10, 4/4...etc. Once the 'B '
lay bet goes ....4/7 or 10/7 ( ' A' bet ... " CAPPED ' against a run ) the path is clear for the " C " lay- bet when the NEXT 4 or 10 sets-up as the
point.
If the ' C ' .....4 or 10 point rolls 6 rolls without an outcome.....TAKE ALL LAY-BETS DOWN..... & write the play-off as a ' non-event.'

16....... + = +65.00 Neural play. The C/O point is a ten.... [ 10,4,9,7 ]. Therefore, we play it as a " B " level bet ( a lost " A " lay-bet recovery bet ). However,
the " A' was NOT a typical " A' bet loss because it went ...PL win, PL win....then...the C/O ROLL set up...... as the four.

We would have lost the 6x odds bet of $240.00 & a + $100.00 over-lay-bet on the four point......but....because of the two PL wins, before the C/O 4 point...

the odds bet and over-lay bet were ..... ' OFF. '

The bet goes +$ 65.00 Neural....a 6x odds bet of +$390.00 ( for a + $195.00 net win) & a +$200.00 over-lay
bet on the 10.....to cover our non-betted + $100.00 over-lay bet on the 'A ' level bet.....for a net win of +$100.00 on this over-lay bet.

The " C " level lay bet is always ... + $800.00 for a net of + $400.00. I have lost this bet twice in real Casino $$$ play.

However, it was easy to recover from those two losses........

So it went....on and on ....for the 32 plays, in 54 minutes, on page #151.

THIS SYSTEM SEEMS HARD.....IT IS NOT A HARD SYSTEM...IT IS .....' EASY ' ..... TO LEARN !

In 54 minutes and 103 real, recorded rolls.... it netted plus.....

............. + $3,210.00 ......... sweet !

Thoughts ?

WOLFBYTE
aka : W7

[WOLFBYTE]

Yo..........

Ok....as per PM requests....

I will go over the 4/10 and Hank's betting start-stop triggers this weekend.

Off on Harraha's MD80 Junket Jet today, for Laughlin. I have gotten spoiled by taking the jet. It goes

500 miles in as little as 44 minutes ! .

I will ask how many people lost their lives in the SUPER undertow of the Colorado River this Summer ?

It was running one per day last year..........bummer !

W7

[sharkbyte]

I will go over the 4/10 and Hank's betting start-stop triggers this weekend.

Looking forward to it, W7.