Re: 6/8 the man's way

[Agame]

Thanks, Heavy.
That 6&8 Progression has been copied and pasted somewhere for ease of reference.
I liked that one that stopped at $42 and collected $50 for $1.

Your outside press is suicide. It's World War 3. Apocalypse. Armageddon. The Reckoning. It's a no go. Ever.

[bobthetree]

What are you even talking about? Did you even read the challenge? The bodog thing at the VERY bottom is recommended as a way for newbies to play on the practice games for free to see how the games work. I even gave you the header to the section I was referring to in quotes.

[heavy]

Your outside press is suicide. It's World War 3. Apocalypse. Armageddon. The Reckoning. It's a no go. Ever.

A few years ago I was playing with a group at M Resort in Vegas. There were three very good hands back-to-back. The third one was mine. I knew the guy next to me was a randy from the first trip around the table, so after I sevened out I took my (substantial) winnings to the cage. Well, there was one clerk and a long line and it took 10 - 15 minutes before I was able to cash in my chips. When I walked back to the table I went to the opposite end from where I'd been standing and struck up a conversation with Dice Coach. The guy standing next to me said "This guy has been trowing the dice ever since you colored up. I asked "what's he throwing?" He said "nothing but nines and tens." So, I took out $20 and tossed it on the table, telling the dealer to give me $10 each on the nine and ten. A half-hour later, when the shooter sevened out - I had something like $1500 on my ten, $250 on the nine, and an assortment of other bets out there that I'd placed as I spread up and in (as opposed to my usual up and out routine). The roll BEFORE he sevened out was an eleven, and I turned my bets off. Which meant I not only had my winnings in the rack - I also got to keep all of the money I had in action. Sweet. Sometimes it IS a go.

[heavy]

KOD - man, we have to get you onto a keyboard instead of that cell phone. Your posts are really tough to read.

Also, you might want to back off on the pills you're taking for "Low T."

Now, riddle me this. When is the last time you saw Leonard Benson in the casino, sitting at a blackjack table, betting black chips or better? Just curious. I find some of his strategies interesting, but he loses me with his disparaging remarks about system sellers who do not reside in Vegas. Has he looked at a casino map recently? The hinterlands have Vegas outmanned and outgunned when it comes to casinos.

Inquiring minds and all that . . .

[Okie]

I only wonder how do you forget about a system that you used to win up to 8000 a night with

[Okie]

Let me see if I understand it. You wait for a point to be established and then a 6 or 8 before you bet.After you see one you place both lets say $12. You simply collect the first 2 hits to cover your initial bet then you press every other hit. Is this correct?

[bobthetree]

The actual strategy is a fine strategy. It uses low edge bets and it could be especially useful for DI if your signature numbers are 6 and 8. You made tons of money on it betting on random rollers, great! Most of us just get a little leery about claiming that it would win you money with random rollers guaranteed. Just the same as you yourself (KOD) have been turned off by betting systems in the past (Scoblete's, Patrick, etc.) there are lots of people around here that have seen too many "foolproof" systems come and go without panning out. Probably numbering in the 100s for those that have played a long time. In any case, you presented it here for free, so ultimately - thank you. I just don't want anyone to run off with their money to the casino thinking that they can't loose. That's all.

I'll let KOD confirm for you Okie, but that is my understanding of the betting methodology.

[Okie]

If you started at $12 6&8 would you consider your unit 12 or 24 that is not much leway. You will think that I am crazy but the best year that I ever had I placed the 6&8 for $6 and pulled down after one hit and wait for the next shooter. It is extremely boring and besides that I have gotten educated and learned how to loose more faster (haha)

[spiker]

from my experience a lot of hands don't get a lot of 6's or 8's even though they are SUPPOSED to. Every time i go to a crap table which is at least a couple times a week, the majority of people have money on the 6 and 8 and 9 out of 10 people end up walking away with no chips or keep digging in their pockets. I too play the 6 and 8 and barely ever win much of them because they barely seem to come. ya you'll get a couple, but unless its a pretty good roll it barley gets your money back usually. even when i play a 6and 8 12 each one hit and regress to 6 each, half the time you don't even get the one to regress. This is on random rollers of course for the majority as i've never seen somebody i can call a DI at my local indian joint. just my opinion from what i see at tables. i'm sure some won't agree with me but this is what i see all the time.

[Mad Professor]

Hi Spiker,

If you are seeing a dearth of 6's and 8's at the joint that you play at; then why not LAY against the 6 and/or 8?

If they're not showing as much as you say they aren't; then the Lay-side money is there for the taking.


MP

[spiker]

hey MP,

that is something to keep in mind. I don't know, it just seems like there is one or two if you're lucky but never very many rmore than that in a hand. Maybe it's just volatility coming around. or maybe just when i'm there haha. or maybe their dice are whack! haha i've played around with 6 and 8 strategies but aggressive pressing scares me from what i've seen happen and how other people get murdered trying to do it, mostly at this casino. Then again, on a monster roll, it's a great strategy. maybe my timing is off hahaha

spiker

[Mad Professor]

So how many randomly-rolled 6's and 8's should we generally see, on average, during a hand?

I don't think you are going to like the answer.

~During a randomly-rolled start-to-finish hand, you will see an average of 1.2 6's and 1.2 8's. That includes all of the come-out rolls, all of the point-cycle rolls, and any PL-Point repeaters. That's slightly more than ONE EACH 6 and 8 during an average start-to-finish R-R hand.

~During a randomly-rolled point cycle, you will see an average of 0.8 6's and 0.8 8's...that's LESS that ONE EACH during an average R-R point-cycle.

So, who feels lucky? Who wants to bet that you can beat random-expectation?


MP

[heavy]

That is exactly why an initial steep regression - 50% or more - is the way to play the six and eight IF you insist on betting the random rollers. In a $10 game - play a $30 six and eight - sixty at risk to win $35 - one hit and regerss to $12 each, locking up an $11 profit. Take, take and press from there - or just play one hit and down. Anyone want to guess which will return the most $$ on ten random hands (one trip around the table)?

Place six and eight for $30 each - first hit press to $48 each - stay at $48 for the duration.

Place six and eight for $30 each - same bet for the duration.

Place six and eight for $30 each - one hit and regress to $12 each for the duration.

Place six and eight for $30 each - one hit and down.

No, you're not going to like this answer either.

[spiker]

interesting..............so it makes perfect sense now haha no wonder I only see a couple......sooo the only reason the 6 and 8 are "good" rightside bets is because the low HA and that they are the next most frequent numbers to roll after the 7 acoording to the math?

[spiker]

i'll say one hit and down

[pradice]

I also believe one hit and down...

I sometimes forget the phrase "TAKE ME DOWN"..

pradice

[heavy]

Whenever I have to delete a forum member for violating the forum's Terms of Service all of their posts are deleted with them. It's just a thing I do because under the forum's TOS the individual posters "own" their posts. If a player leaves us for any reason I think his posts should go with him. ANYWAY, in some cases it's unfortunate because the THREAD their posts were in remains - along with all of the comments on that thread. Which gets us to THIS thread, which was originally started by a player who called himself "The King of Dice." In this thread he posted a betting strategy that he claimed had won him an unbelievable amount of money. The responses to his post showed exactly how the other BM's felt about his play. Scroll up to the top and begin with the Rappin Captains response. Classic.