Sure Win Version 2

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Sure Win Version 2

Post by SteveO » Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:41 pm

Sure Win Version 2

This system was originally developed for even bets at roulette. It’s still an up-as-you-lose system and occasionally an up-as-you-win system but no increase is ever more than one unit. In other words, the progression only increases one unit per step and there can be many steps. The goal is to win one unit per betting sequence with a sequence being a series of wins and losses that end when you get back into profit one unit.

The plus side of this is your bets do not quickly escalate out of sight but the down side is, it may take more than 2 or 3 wins in a row to bring you back down to step one.

Let’s work thru a few steps.

Sequence 1
B1, W, Net = 1
B1, W, Net = 2
B1, L, Net = 1
B2, W, Net = 2* High Net

Sequence 2
B1, L, Net = 1
B2,L, Net =0
B3, L, Net =-3
B4, W, Net = 1
Now in order to get back to where you started (2) and with one unit of profit you only need to bet 2 units.
B2, W, N=3

Sequence 3
B1, L, Net = 2
B2, W, Net = 4* High Net
B1, L, Net = 3
B2,L, Net = 1
B3, L, Net=-3
B4, L, Net = -7
B5, W, Net = -2
B6, L, Net = -8
B7, W, Net = -1
Now in order to get back to where you started (4) and with one unit of profit you only need to bet 6 units.
B6, W, N = 5

But what would have happened if you lost this 6 unit bet?

So starting from Sequence 3 again
B1, L, Net = 2
B2, W, Net = 4* High Net
B1, L, Net = 3
B2,L, Net = 1
B3, L, Net=-3
B4, L, Net = -7
B5, W, Net = -2
B6, L, Net = -8
B7, W, Net = -1
B6, L, Net = -7
B7, L, Net = -14
B8, L, Net = -22
B9, W. Net = -13
B10, W, Net = -3
Now in order to get back to where you started (4) and with one unit of profit you only need to bet 8 units.
B8, W, N = 5

Let’s assume though that you lost this 8 unit bet


So starting from Sequence 3 again
B1, L, Net = 2
B2, W, Net = 4* High Net
B1, L, Net = 3
B2,L, Net = 1
B3, L, Net=-3
B4, L, Net = -7
B5, W, Net = -2
B6, L, Net = -8
B7, W, Net = -1
B6, L, Net = -7
B7, L, Net = -14
B8, L, Net = -22
B9, W. Net = -13
B10, W, Net = -3
Now in order to get back to where you started (4) and with one unit of profit you only need to bet 8 units.
B8, L, Net = -11 But we lose in this example
B9, L, Net - -20
B10, L, Net = -30
B11, L, Net = -41
B12, W, Net = -29
B13, L, Net = - 42
B14, W, Net - -28
B15, L, Net = -43
B16, W, Net = -27
B17, L, Net = -44
B18, W, Net = -26
B19, W, Net = - 7
Now in order to get back to where you started (4) and with one unit of profit you only need to bet 12 units.
B12, W, Net = 5

I'm not sure this was explained very well so please ask questions if you want.

Maybe I can get to few more over Thanksgiving weekend.

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Re: Sure Win Version 2

Post by heavy » Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:33 am

The very name is an oxymoron. If there was a Sure Win V. 1 then why would you need a V. 2? Funny - but I DO appreciate you posting it. I've got a dozen or so craps systems around here that I've picked up through the years from one person or another. If I ever find myself with the time I'll stat posting progressions out of some of them. Methinks you'll see something interesting develop in short order - like a whole bunch of systems that use a fibo progression. But hey - still fun to play with.
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