Heavy's Axis Power Craps Forum

DISCLOSURE: I re-posted this from an earlier post before the forum changed again. Heavy suggested we save the few we wrote before the migration occurred. Heavy also posted a reply to Dave's inquiry as well, but I failed to copy it.

DaveGCT wrote:Okay if you are setting for the CO and get a 7 or 11 do you rack or stack em? Dice Coach always says stack them em for 2 wins- on the 3 ‘ TD take your profit and reduce your PL bet to one or 2 units increase.I have been stacking them and if it continues I would then press PL up a unit. Not really a strong point of my game. Lol

One after thought if on a $10 table and you stacked them twice – sitting with $40 on PL Your money – protect it?

I only play a Come Out game if I am in a groove and the dice have been performing well for me. With the game, sometimes I am “on”, other times I am “off”. If I happen to be off, I will stick with one dice set to play the game. For some reason switching back and forth seems to aggravate things for me, especially when its not working.

When I’m playing a strict Come Out game, my goal is to toss sevens, YO’s, and craps numbers before the point is established. Like Heavy, I’ll play the PL with a World bet (yeah, I know it’s high edge). I’ll parlay the sevens on the PL while pressing the World a unit each time, maintaining the hedge. If by chance I toss a craps number and lose my PL, I’ll restart the PL back to table minimum. I know some do not like to hedge on the Come Out, hoping to parlay their wins into black chips. I just say, “good luck with that”. What I hate to see is my $10 starting bet parlayed into $40 and then seeing an Ace-Deuce as the stickman takes my $40 away. I try to play this Come Out game with the World bet only when I am tossing the dice. Irish opened my eyes to the high cost of hedges/props. I’m just slowly weening myself off of them for now, I have yet to commit to the “No hedge” camp.

A most recent outing of mine resulted in a few minor hits on the World during the come out. Nothing I was able to build on. It was an expensive undertaking. It is something I will have to review again to see if it's still worthwhile. Granted, I was playing mostly ATS tables so I avoided using the all-sevens set. I think I may hold off on this play until I can master a Come-Out dice set with consistent results.

During a recent game I played, a random roller was tossing sevens and elevens during his Come-Out. I chickened out. I parlayed the first one, regressed back to table min on second one. Pressed a unit on the third one. Regressed again back to table min on the fourth one before he finally established his point. He never did make his point.

I like Dice Coach’s idea of laying the numbers during the Come-Out. I just haven’t tried it in a casino yet. It makes total sense if you are able to toss sevens during your Come Out roll. If laying at the minimum, your risk is only $30 plus vig.

I played a very brief session this afternoon where there were a lot of come out naturals being tossed. $5 game. First shooter I went $5 - $10 - $15 (locking up my initial $5 investment) $25 - (locking up an additional $5). A point was established on the nine at that point. Normally I take odds but on this occasion I did not because I had a $10 win locked up and I really only came into the casino because it was a stretch break on my way from Ardmore, Oklahoma to Kansas City. Anyway, I won the $25 and was up $35 at that point. Played one and a half circuits of the table. When I got the dice my series went like this. $5 PL. $5 World - $2 High Low - Set for the horn numbers. Tossed a six. Lost $7. Took $25 odds. Set for the six. Tossed the six. Made $35. Did exactly the same thing a second time, tossing four sixes in a row. Decided to change things up and set the crossed sixes instead of the straight sixes. Tossed a hard eight. Brought the eight right back. Nuts. Then I set the nine as the point, tossed a dozen or so number and brought the nine back. But at that point I was getting uber conservative - again, I just came in for a stretch break, maybe a buffet, and that was it. Already my feet were hurting. Still, by the time it was over with I was up a couple of hundred. Continued to play - some good - some not so good. Waiting for the dice to get back to me. Counting up intermittently and watching my chips dwindle. Finally got to the point that I was just $125 ahead and the dice were still 3 players away. Screw it. Time to grab a buffet and get back on the road. Color coming in.

On the way out I checked my card for any promo play I could use in the slots. $30. Picked out a dollar machine I liked and downloaded $15 in it, playing it a dollar a pull and cashing out after every hit. Won $42. Moved to the machine next to it - a $1 five liner and downloaded the last $15 for three max coin pulls. One pull won $5. Or should I say it broke even. Cash it out. It's five bucks I didn't have. So, I exited the property with a full belly and $172 bonus bucks. And it all started when I parlayed a $5 pass line win.

heavy wrote:So, I exited the property with a full belly and $172 bonus bucks. And it all started when I parlayed a $5 pass line win.

Sweet!