Heavy's Axis Power Craps Forum

I'm just looking for a little critiquing on this dark side strategy I've been playing a little bit lately... It's on a $10 table and i wait for the CO...Once the point is established I lay the point for $30 (any point) and make a $15DC, once that is established I make one more $10 DC and remove my lay.
A scenario that occurs often is the PPSO where I win the lay and the original $15 DC (lose the $10 that was on the DC box) which is ok... Basically how I get stung playing this way is repeater numbers since I lay the point for 2 rolls to establish the DCs...
Any help with this dark strategy guys? Ways to make it better, or critique is greatly appreciated... Btw, I like to parlay my $10 DC win one time then reset to $10 after that wins.... Usually don't with the $15 DC, should I? Good luck to everyone, and thanks again for your advice

Hi dave716aceduece


Once you establish your $15 DC, why don't you take down your lay bet. Then put $10 in the DC. That way if the 7 comes your $15 DC will cover it and you will still make $5.

I do it a little different. Sometimes I will lay the 5 for $30 and take it down once my $10/$15 DC bet is established. (unless I know that the shooter is rolling a lot of 5's). I don't like to have a lay bet on the 6 or 8. There are more ways to get knocked off on them. I do a grind so I only have one DC bet up at a time but there is nothing wrong with having 2 DC bets up ($15 and a $10) if you want. Just make sure it's not a hot table.

I like to parlay my $10 DC win one time then reset to $10 after that wins.... Usually don't with the $15 DC, should I?

I like to take any wins I get and put them in my rack so I wouldn't parley either the $10 or $15 bet, but that's just me.


$5Bill

What you are playing is a modified Patrick Ricochet. Laying against the point hedges your DC against the seven. It's a decent play. Once the $15 DC is established you don't really need to keep the Lay bet up as the DC bet hedges your second ($10) DC. I play this way fairly regularly, sans the lay bet. I'll just play $15 DC followed by $10 DC - or even a $15 DP followed by a $10 DC. Either way, it's about as conservative of a way to play as you'll find. If I wanted to go wonky over it I'd get the two DC's established, then place the six and eight for $12 each for one hit and down. No hit in a couple of tosses - take them down anyway.

See how quickly you can talk yourself down an entirely different mode of betting? That's one of the things that makes this game so intriguing for me.

Thanks $5Bill... I thought about taking the lay down after i have my $15dc established, but it just feels right to leave it up for that follow up DC, and to try and cash in on that PPSO... What makes me feel pretty strong about this play is that a number would have to hit twice in a row to take my original lay, then hit a 3rd time before the 7 to take the DC that traveled there. When that happens it sucks, but part of the game...
Also as to laying the 6 or 8 $5Bill, I don't like to lay them either (and even less now after hearing a craps veteran like yourself doesn't particularly like laying them either) but I will for ONE time if it's the CO point and I'm laying against it, then pull that lay to an outside number usually a 4 or 10 to establish my $10dc... If the come out point is anything other than a 6 or 8 I let it ride until my 2DCs are established then pull the lay down completely

Thanks Heavy, placing the 6 and 8 with a DC or 2 is actually one of my techniques to turn from a cold table to a warm one. Once it's hot, I like a 2:1 regression on the 6 and 8... I start 24ea for 1 hit then down to 12ea... Now I have decesions to press, collect, parlay, or even take them down...
Like $5Bill alluded to, the dark strategy works great on a cold table, but once it turns warm to hot i think you need to adjust slowly, and placing the 6 and 8 with an effective don't strategy could do the trick... However with my luck lately it seems the 7 pops right after I place my 6&8, that's why I've been riding the Dark side recently

I use a modified Patrick play, but I also use a count of two in between the RR making an outside number and a lay bet on that number. I hate when I lay a number only to have it come right back on me. Also..regarding a cold table changing to hot (or warm) with RR still at it. I use a five count approach. That is..sevens in a cold situation often appear within the first six rolls. If they don't and inside numbers are showing up and the RR makes his/her pt. I'll hit on the 6 and 8 for $12 each and regress after the first hit..then build from there.

I like that 5 count approach in determining when to transition from a dark to right side play... The tables I play at are usually $10 so I can't regress from a $12 6and8 but I can just take it down after one hit... I'd probably keep playing a DP or DC however, as well as placing the 6&8 for 12ea on a warm table

Laying 6-8 isn't a bad bet. It pays almost equal money...place bets pay a bit more and you're losing a shitload without having it bother you, why bother if you lose a bet you have a great payoff on.