The Neural Strategy

Setting and influencing the dice roll is just part of the picture. To beat the dice you have to know how to bet the dice. Whether you call it a "system," a "strategy," or just a way to play - this is the place to discuss it.

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Re: The Neural Strategy

Post by heavy » Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:35 pm

The Neural is (if I recall correctly) a step ladder fibonacci progression. I have a copy of the entire strategy at home somewhere. I believe this was one of Silverthorn's creations. Wolfbyte plays what he calls a "three capping" version of the neural. Basically I think it entails waiting for three same way decisions (e.g. Pass, Pass, Pass) then betting the opposite way (Don't Pass) running the negative progression until you win. I don't know for sure if Wolfbyte is still checking in here, since he's taken a little chiding about some of his metaphysical approaches to the game. He is definitely a new-age kind of guy. I think Dylanfreak has played around with the three capping idea a time or two. Maybe he'll chime in.

BTW, welcome to the forum. Hell, we may have crossed paths in S/B and never even known it. One of the new board members who attended the Biloxi craps clinic this past weekend reminded me that he and I had played on the same table in Shreveport/Bossier a year or so back. Small world. Especially among crapsters. You wouldn't believe how many times I've been playing under the radar somewhere and someone has walked up to the table and said "Hey Heavy."
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Re: The Neural Strategy

Post by Kelph » Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:09 pm

SS,

Keep in mind that what W7 is using is a mixture of several approaches melded together with the Neural being just one.

If you go the the John Patrick site and look up James Dodd you'll find many posts of his on this subject. He's tried to explain it a number of times but I don't believe anyone else has really understood it or wanted to spend the time multi-tracking and commit to the escalating progression he uses.

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Re: The Neural Strategy

Post by heavy » Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:33 pm

Well, I was over at the Shoe last Friday morning - making a donation to cover my free room. Guess we're going to have to start using the old "hook-up" portion of the board more to plan a few get togethers. I'll poke around in the hall closet and see if I can find anything on the Neural tonight. There's another system I have a copy of that I need to look for at the same time. If I can find it I'll see if I can come up with something for you. Meanwhile, if anyone else has any info on the Neural feel free to chip in.
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Re: The Neural Strategy

Post by heavy » Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:44 pm

The quest for the right way to bet is almost as bad as the quest for the Holy Grail of tosses. Honestly, I think most of us craps players suffer from Adult Attention Deficit Disorder. We just can't focus on one thing for any length of time. Hence the constant hopping from one betting strategy to the next and from one set, grip, or toss to the next. At the end of the day - as far as tosses are concerned you just need a couple of things - comfort, control, and consistency. Betting strategies aren't much different. They should fit within your comfort zone (bet size versus bankroll), they should give you some control (of your bankroll via built in money management) and you should be able to win (or at least not go too deep in the tank) consistently.

With betting strategies, I like a play that takes advantage of the lowest vig bets on the table. At the same time, I appreciate the value of a "get back" bet from time to time, so I am not opposed to what we'll refer to as a "recovery stage" in a betting strategy. Last of all, I like a strategy that provides consistent wins - and that's the real challenge because you don't always have consistent results at the table. Therefore, I think any strategy worth its salt will ultimately have a trigger that will either cause you to switch sides (going from the Do's to the Don'ts) or to simply pull the plug.
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Re: The Neural Strategy

Post by Dylanfreake » Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:59 pm

I tell people that I don`t really play craps. I play money management. The only wager that I make is a naked DP.

I have never used the neural strategy. The reason that I never tried it is because when I first saw it discussed , it took a much larger bankroll than I had at the time. I think I have it written in one of my old gambling journals somewhere. I think the Operator was into the neural strategy at one time as well as Sure Win and Star.

After Bones saw me play a couple of weeks ago, he would agree that I seldom play craps.

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Re: The Neural Strategy

Post by al_falcons » Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:56 pm

The Neural Strategy is one that I based my betting method, "Al Falcons $10 Don't loss progression" on. I modify it by only letting myself lose 5 times per shooter, then I would quit. I mostly play this on myself shooting from the don'ts it is volatile and you need at least $1000 buy in for a $5 table, in my opinion.

You can see a bit about the theory here,
http://www.silverthornepublications.com/NeuralStrategy/

Heavy is right it is a loss progression where you are suppose to switch ways of betting ( pass or don't pass) every time you see three decisions in a row. In my strategy, I just stick to the don't pass and never switch like you should. But the bet levels are exactly as described. For a $5 table the bets would be 5, 8, 13, 20, 35, 50, 75, 100, 150, 200 and then I add one more 200 bet and quit. Increase your bet as you lose and decrease as you win. If you win 2 in a row you can skip one level down. Example

bet 100 loss
bet 150 win
bet 100 win
50 is the next bet, you skipped 75. You do this to try to get back down to a lower level of betting. It works at roulette or any other bet where you have close to a 50/50 chance of winning. I have tried it online at baccarat, but can't seem to get it to work that great because of longer streaks. The streaks are what will eventually kill you and you will have to be prepared to bust out a few times with this strategy.

Hope this helps.

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Re: The Neural Strategy

Post by heavy » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:15 am

Okay, I'll jump in here a bit more. Silverthorne talks a lot about recognizing patterns in whatever game you play. For example, here are some patterns you might see at our favorite game:

P P P D D D

P D P D P D

D D P D D P

P P P P D D

D D D D P P

Okay, that should be enough to get you looking for repeaters. Now let's talk about that 3 capping thing. Look at the first pattern I listed. After three P decisions you immediately see three D decisions. The 3 capping idea would have you cap that third same-way decision by betting the other direction (at least that's what I recall from W5's explanations. Of course, I could have that just the opposite of how it works). Anyway, using it as I described it you would have no bet in the second series, no bet in the third series, but you would bet the fourth and fifth series. In both the fourth and fifth series you'd lose your first bet in the progression, then win the next one. So much for three capping.

An 84% win rate is something Silverthorne came up with by "weighting" wins from roulette, craps, and baccarat. I don't know why he didn't include blackjack - perhaps because he considers it a game of skill. Anyway. he basically says you'll win an average of 84% of the time if you play the patterns, and that you can overcome the 16% loss rate with proper betting.

Now, on to the Neural. As I pointed out earlier - and Al Falcons just confirmed - the Neural is a Fibo progression. First - the Fibonicci series: 1 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 5 - 8 - 13 - 21 - 34 - 55 - 89 and so on. After the first bet - the next bet is the sum of the two previous bets. So if you had bet $3 and lost it your next bet would be $5. Al Falcons started at $5 so his next bet in a true Fibo would be $8 - then $13 - then $21 - then $34, etc. The theory behind the fibo is that the safest way to guarantee a win is to increase your bets moderately (as opposed to doing a grand martingale, for example) on each consecutive loss. Silverthorne also set up his own, slightly different take on the Fibo. He starts at $5 and moves up to $8 and $13. Then he goes to a $20 bet followed by $35, $50, $75, and $100. That is a little more aggressive when you get to the last steps, but what the heck. You have to tweak something when putting a system together or too many people would ask for their money back.

The Neural, like all systems, has some rules you have to follow. Things like switching sides if you lose a fifth level (or maybe it was a sixth level) bet and regressing a couple of levels when you do that. There are a bunch of other rules - most of them not unlike what you'd find in a pure Fibo system. I'm sure this is all perfectly well thought out and tested, although I suspect that most system creators just pull this stuff out of . . . thin air.
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Re: The Neural Strategy

Post by wild child » Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:29 am

If you have been at craps for entertainment, playing to win may feel diferent..

As indicated,you will profit most from playing less exposure and move with your chips to the cage.

As for betting schemes , if the instructions take up more than a 3"x5" index card find less complicated plan.

At that, practice the wagering moves at home prior to entering the casino.
In casino action should you get confused ,STOP,take down bets and figure it out for free........

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