Winning @ Ca. Card Craps w/100% Hedge & 4/10 Lay System

[WOLFBYTE]

Yo...Fellow Carbon-Based Upright Units.........

Wow ! ...on my way out the door a minute ago for jury duty... I stopped and called the automatic phone-in jury
confirmation line.....WoWeeee ! .... " You do not have to show up. Your jury duty is complete for 12 Months! "

So.... I have time to post. Do to being a very bad person in a past life ( so says my past-life trance guru ) I am going to share my most recent Ca. card Craps System.

I have been using this 4/10 Craps Lay System for many Months and it has led to my comps being cut-to-the-bone on
the Monthly junket jet trips to Laughlin. I was told recently by my Casino Host .... " You are not LOSING enough to
qualify for further free junket flights. " I have been on that 450 mile flight for 27 Months.

Anyway, after back-testing this 4/10 Lay System using Zumma's most excellent " Craps System Testing Book " ( 35,000 real recorded rolls from the GN and the Four Queens Casino's in DT Vegas ) I could see the writing on the wall.....

So, I bought a Ford Blue 2010 Toyota Prius with 5,465 miles on it, in Oct. 2011, off of the E-Bay Motors site to use to make gaming runs into Nevada and to the Ca. card craps tables in Southern Ca.

I took it in Nov. the 440 miles to Vegas and I found myself thinking ...' This car does not use much gas ! " The on-board computer said I was averaging 57 MPG !

I checked on Prius Chat.com & other generation #3 Pruis owners are getting around the same MPG's .....including Americraps !

However, it is the worst handling car I have ever owned. I was decending from the high desert to the Ca. Central Valley
at 65-70 mph the damn car shifted to the left with massive understeering and body roll. I thought it was going to kill me.

So....when I got home I parked it for 10 days.....until a super heavy duty over-the-engine strut bar arrived at my house.

Now, with the struts tied together, this car is super-fun to drive.....stupid Toyota....putting out an un-safe car !

Anyway, I also have been cut-off from our local Indian Casino. No match play +$50.00 a week coupons for April and no once a week Hotel free rooms.

Last Month they took down a 3' x 3' color picture they had of me next to the Southern cash cage, on the main Casino floor. For over 2 years they had it on that Casino wall .... It read ...." James a real player ! "

I am lay-betting the 4 and 10 points and using new betting start/stop triggers born out of my losses that manifested in back-testing.

I found that 4's and 10's are made or not make ( 7-outs ) in ' clusters.' I have come up with a way to exploit this..... cluster-bias.

In the last four 72 hour junket trips it has netted ....+ $2,700...+ $2,200...+ $1,500 and the just completed March trip ...+ $2,890.00.

I posted it over on the DI site and Al Falcons says it takes along time to get a win. He is right....sometimes it is like watching paint dry....but... there is a built-in 66.66% probability that the 4/10 point will be lost to a 7-out.

However... the 50% pay-off on my 100% bet $$$$ ....Sucks !

I have found my betting triggers stop repeating back-to-back 10/10's and 4/4's strings. I will lay the triggers out and post the first 5,000 real, recorded Zumma 4/10 rolls so you can see how this works, in my next post.

I have been quiet about the 4/10 Lay System, for several days, because I have been back-testing a new system.

If my back-testing results, so far, hold up.....It is going to force me to spend more time in the Nevada Casino's.

Because this 4/10 Lay System can take over an hour to set up ...I looked around in old posts and I found a tread in a 1999 JP board file..... " HOW TO MAKE A LIVING BY 100% HEDGING YOUR CRAPS BETS ! "

It is turning out up to $4,000.00 an hour using the GN and Four Queens craps roll stats. I have also found using 100% of the time, JP's excellent Richochet System really turbo-charges the hedge system.

The sweet thing is... when the Ricochet and/or ' 11 ' come back I can just kick-in the 4/10 Lay System.

It steps-over the losses. On page #2 of Zumma's craps numbers, this idea stepped over ten 11's in 22 rolls !

To be continued........
WBB

[heavy]

This is interesting stuff, wwwww. But let me ask you something. You always post about your wins but I don't recall hearing much about your losses. How about the other side of your play - you know, when the tables suck instead of blow. Don't you ever lose?

[WOLFBYTE]

Heavy,

Sorry, I took it for granite that you knew I lose my ass at BJ.

Three weeks ago, I chased my BJ loses and it cost me 4-figure $$$$.....STUPID !....chasing loses.

However, I will recover my gaming kitty.

Today, I was sitting in our Super Wal Mart parking lot and redoing the 4/10, back-to-back Craps numbers

from the GN and The Four Queens found in Zumma's Craps System Testing Book. Between the 1,000th and 2,000th

rolls the shooters were hotter than hot on throwing 4's and 10's.

I cannot post that series of numbers without first posting the A,B,C,D,E........ type of rules when I back test and in real Casino play.

Rats to Kill... and .....Catfish to Fry...

WBB

[heavy]

And you were sitting in the Super Walmart Parking lot doing this because . . .

Inquiring minds and all that. Tapping into Walmart's wifi or what?

And yes - I would like to hear what your "rules" are when playing this strategy.

Thanks.

h

[WOLFBYTE]

Yo.....Fellow Carbon-Based Units.......

I just arrived home from our local Indian Casino..... The PalaceCasino.com.

I used my Baccarat System on their single Bacc. table. It took quite a while to get the damn

baccarat table shoe to stop doing a chop...chop.....chop....back and forth....switching outcome-sides

between player and bank.

I fell short of my pre-set win goals today. I wanted a + $400.00 win but I settled for + $ 324.00

because I could NOT take the cancer-stick smoke.

Heavy, since I retired in 2004, I go to the YMCA every day to swim in their heated over-the-top 70 foot

indoor swimming pool....and the young female lifeguards are not bad ( eye-candy ).

I most always then drive 2 miles to our Super Wal Mart to get mark-downed meat. The meat department marks-down

all meat that is with-in 24 hours of code-expiration to ......get this..... $2.00 ....no matter what the price was on

the label.......yep ! ..... I bought 12 beef roasts what were originally + $ 32.00 each ....for $2.00 each !

My 4 white..... Standard Poodles dogs, eat well. I was waiting in the parking lot for the meat manager

to get back from his lunch.

I worked in local law enforcement for 33 years and last week all hell broke-out at our Wal Mart. The

local police arrested 22 Wal Mart employees ( including two front-end managers ) for being involved in a plot

to defraud Wal Mart with bogus, home printed, manufactures coupons.

They took Wal Mart for 6-figure $$$.

Go to Google and type in..... Hanford Ca. Wal Mart employees arrested......search.....up pops the nuts and bolts

of the plot.

Anyway, today was a good money-harvesting day at the local Indian Casino...........

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................CRAPS 4/10 LAY-BET SYSTEM RULES.......

A.........If a 4 or 10 point is still-up after six rolls past its point being set, take the lay bet down.

B........Wait for a 4 or 10 point to be ... " Capped " .....by a non-betting win...47 or 107... after the first 4 or 10 loss ( 44 or 1010 )
before betting into a " recovery bet " when the next 4 or 10 show up.... as the point.

C........ When two back-to-back losses occur.....1010's or 44's..... the next .... " RECOVERY OF ALL LOST LOOT " bet is only made after two
non-betting wins ...pass by..... without any action being taken.

This is done because in back-testing I found
4 & 10 oucomes occur in ... " Clusters "..... of either 44's or 1010's ....and .... 47's & 107's

D........ If the shooter throws two PL winning outcomes, back-to-back.....and then sets up another 4 or 10 as his
3rd point...take down the 4 or 10 lay-bet and score it as a ....non-event .... on the progression count.

E......... If the shooter makes a 4 or 10 point ( 44 or 1010 ) the rest of his throwing hand is NOT scored...

F..........When the 3-step...double-up neg. progression recovers all $$$$'s from lost progression steps, revert to
betting at the base-betting level ( With me my base betting is +$300.00 to win +$150.00 ).

Simple rules...... crafted out of 60,000 back-tested real, recorded rolls.

The progression.....1st step is $ 300.00 to win +$150.00.

After a loss.... the 2nd-step kicks in.....+ $600.00 to recover the first steps +$300.00 loss.

The 3rd step is + $1,800.00 to recover the first two steps lost $$$$'s.......+$900.00.

You can make the progression any $$$-wise value you want.

I will lay this out in real-play detailed Zumma book fashion in the next post. It

will be clearer.

WBB

[WOLFBYTE]

Good Day...........

I am under attack by field mice. They flooded the 65 acres of Walnut trees next to my house with water....so.... the mice

think my house is a free hostel !

I have trapped a couple dozen mice in the past week. I have layed in bed and listened to

their teeth, making noises, as they try to open a hole in my house's wood siding so they can come inside !

I picked up a sprung trap next to this computer yesterday and the trap had the mouse by its tail. It made a horrible screaming

noise and turned around and planted its front teeth....in my thumb ! ....Yuck ! ...I dropped the g/d trap on the floor !

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Anyway, below is the current 100% Hedging Craps System that Mark R. posted on JP's board on 09/22/2009.

It works well so I have not modified it except I do not use the DC box when the shooter is setting-up a point.

I use the DP box ( pre-C/O roll ) because I can make $$$$ off.... point-7-outs. I use the DC box on each roll

past my first DP box bet.

I have taken JP's advice and I use his...Richochet C/O Craps Hedging System on all of the shooter's throws. I use the 4's & 10's

as the Ric. hedge. I use the 4 or 10 number that has not come up for the longest.

If I lose the Richochet bet, due to it booming back on me.... I take enough odds when my PL bet or DC bet travels to

the just lost ric. number. My odds bet is just enough to cover what I just lost due to the Richochet booming-back.

After the Richochet loss and if I do not recover the richochet loss, with my covering 50% bet and the odds bet.....I QUIT the

CRAPS 100% HEDGING SYSTEM and go for total recovery of the lost loot ( $$$$ ) by jumping into a straight-up 4/10

DP Lay Betting Craps System.

I do this because 4's and 10's, do indeed.... run in ' clusters ' and I need to avoid 4's and 10's using this... 100% hedged

craps system. I have extreme faith in the 4/10 Lay Craps System.

************* JP HOW TO MAKE A LIVING W/FULL HEDGE CRAPS ? **********************

Posted by Mark R. .................

" There are times when I have done well with this version of the Full Hedge Craps System. I buy in at $600.00 with a 25% win goal
and I have a 40% loss limit.

All my bets are $50.00 going through the DC box. I hedge the 11 for $3.00. I do not use JP's Ricochet protection system ( I do ).

6 & 8 ......... If my point is a six or eight I immediately ' place bet ' that number for $48.00. If the 7 hits I win +$2.00. If the 6 or
8 point is made I win +$6.00.

5 & 9 ........ If my point is a five or nine I 'place bet ' that number for $40.00. If the seven hits I win +$10.00. If the 5 or 9
point is made I win +$16.00.

4 & 10.......If my point is a four or a ten I ' place bet ' that number for +$35.00. If the seven hits I win +$15.00. If the 4 or 10
point is made I win +$20.00.

In Zumma testing I double-up the above bets.......

Off to the gym.................

Questions ?

WBB

[WOLFBYTE]

Yo Fellow Carbon-based, Flat-Toothed Primates......

Man ! this rain and hail storming ..will NOT quit ! I called 911 last night because it was raining cats-and-dogs and the street was soooo flooded the water was nearly coming into my house !

When I built my house I had 10 diesel trucks and trailers bring fill dirt to my houses building pad. The dirt raised my slab up 10 inches above

the street grade ( I shot it with a transit ). I am glad I did it.

Anyway, Al Falcons thinks the 4/10 Lay System will take time. He is right.....but, it works for me.

I have been testing Mark R's .... " 100% Craps Hedge System " ( I modified it ) and only using the 4/10 Lay System if I hit a-totally-against-the-player bias....another words....as a ' Recovery of the Lost Loot ' ... system ....do to the slow set-up time of the 4/10 System.

The 100% Craps Hedge System, playing every roll, has produced, in Zumma back-testing, these numbers :

Page # :

1.........150 rolls in 82 minutes = + $1,074.00
2.........167 rolls in 118 minutes = + $3,280.00
3.........100 rolls in 51 minutes = + $ 1,818.00
4.........118 rolls in 66 minutes = + $2,732.00
5......... 119 rolls in 67 minutes = + $ 2,156.00
6......... 145 rolls in 80 minutes = + $1,670.00
7......... 150 rolls in 83 minutes = + $ 1,403.00
8.........109 rolls in 60 minutes = + $ 2,610.00
9.........108 rolls in 60 minutes = + $ 1,105.00
10........79 rolls in 43 minutes = + $ 2,117.00

....On and on it goes......................

I just completed a charting of shooter # 190 ( @ 1,592 rolls ) . I did NOT hedge 100% of the

shooters rolls because setting up each roll with a 100% hedge is not going to be possible due

the shooter's 50 rolls.

I used the Richochet on the the C/O points only and played his 50 rolls just on his points

and outcomes.....not on each number rolled. If I find myself at the table, my myself, I will

100% hedge every number I throw but not with the table full of players.....unless they are

drunk and the game is at a slow crawl.....

Using the ricochet, on JP's advice, I am hedging the shooters points with the 4's and 10's.

I use the one that has NOT come up for the longest time.

Below are the numbers that shooter # 190 rolled. I used a + $200.00 ... ' no 4' or ..." no 10 '

hedge pre-C/O roll bet and took it down when my points were established.

When my points are up, I have a $100.00 DP or DC box bet ...clear of the bet-killing C/O 7.

I then I used a +96.00 Place-bet on the 6 and 8's ..... a +$70.00 place-bet on the 4 or 10 points

and a +$ 80.00 place-bet on the 5 and 9 points.

The below shooter's numbers include the 4's and 10's thrown between outcomes . That way, I know

when to ' jump ' to the longest non-occuring 4 or 10 number as the hedge :

8 8-9 3 10 3 10 3 6 6 9-5 3 8 10 5- 10 5 6 12 10- 7 - 8 8- 10 10- 8 8- 6 3 5 3 6-3-7-9 3 6 9-2-
5 9 8 9 6 6 6 10 8 7..........

10 as hedge =88 = + $16.00
10 as hedge = 910109 = + $32.00
4 as hedge = 5105 = +32.00
4 as hedge = 1010 = + $40.00
4 as hedge = 7 = +/- = Zero........
4 as hedge = 88 = + $ 16.00
4 as hedge = 1010 = + $ 40.00
4 as hedge = 88 = + $16.00
4 as hedge = 66 = + $16.00
4 as hedge = 3 = + $100.00
4 as hedge = 7 = +/- = Zero........
4 as hedge = 99 = + 32.00
4 as hedge = 2 = + $100.00
4 as hedge = 5107 = + $20.00
End of shooter's run..............

WBB

[Mad Professor]

1.........150 rolls in 82 minutes = + $1,074.00
2.........167 rolls in 118 minutes = + $3,280.00
3.........100 rolls in 51 minutes = + $ 1,818.00
4.........118 rolls in 66 minutes = + $2,732.00
5......... 119 rolls in 67 minutes = + $ 2,156.00
6......... 145 rolls in 80 minutes = + $1,670.00
7......... 150 rolls in 83 minutes = + $ 1,403.00
8.........109 rolls in 60 minutes = + $ 2,610.00
9.........108 rolls in 60 minutes = + $ 1,105.00
10........79 rolls in 43 minutes = + $ 2,117.00

....On and on it goes......................

WARNING: Wry humor ahead...

Well, watchya waitin' for?

As we speak, there are thousands upon thousands of randomly-tossed rolls passing you by. They are (apparently) there for the taking...and not a losing-session in sight.

No risks, high returns! What's not to like?


MP

[heavy]

Yeah, there's a big difference in gambling with theoretical dollars and real ones.

[WOLFBYTE]

Yo.........

Yes, Heavy and MP you both are 100% correct.... Winning, to me, is all about how do I overcome my losses ?

With the 100% hedge system, I back-test-pretend, at home, that I am at a real Casino and the paper bets are, indeed, real

$$$ bets.

So... when the Ricochet doubles-back at bites-me-on-my- butt ....it all comes down too....what is the best action

to recover the just-lost loot ( $$$$ ) ?

My go-to-church-every-Sunday .... bee-keeper Father, who I had given my 4 John Denver concert tickets to, called me from Harraha's South Lake Tahoe

late one night and asked me ... " Jimmy, how do you win at gambling ? "

I did not know what to tell him because I did not know myself. Today, I would tell him it does not matter what gaming system you use ...but...use the 4/10

Craps System to recover your losses.

On my last trip to Harraha's ( card-craps ) Ricon I made a $1,200.00 ... ' NO 4 ' lay-bet because my 4/10 back testing said the 4/10 outcome pattern, that had

just manifested, pointed to a 7-out pattern......sure enough .....7-out !.....pay the don't.

I would have NEVER made that bet without the iron-balls I got from back-testing at home.

Four-figure money and out Harraha's door.....

I drove up the Coast to the Paula Indian Casino for more card craps.... 45 minutes later ....4-figure $$$ & out-the-door.........

I want the best for everybody.....so..... I want all to hold-my-feet-to-the-fire and double-check my system by back-testing it too ?

WBB

PS : I will be in Vegas next week and meeting with a real estate agent......stay tuned.

[WOLFBYTE]

Yo... Carbon Units....

Boy.... I thought I owed the IRS +$800.00.....bummer ! .....but.... I forgot I had extra $$$$ taken out of my SSI payments

I waited in line at our local SSI office for over an hour today to get a print-out statement of my 2011 SSI action.

jessssss ! I do not owe the IRS anything, in fact, I am getting back + $2,400.00 !

.....WoWeeeeeeeeee !....as the flying TV pig says.

Today, I have been running a simple 5-step double-up progression on lay-betting the 4's and 10's out of Zumma's roll

files. Through the first 1,000 back-to-back rolls.....it is doing good !

I am using only one rule..... If I have two back-to-back

44 or 1010 losses, I wait for two non-betted WINS to pass-by before going to the third betting step... when the next 4 or 10 point manifests.

If this holds up through 5,000 rolls I will post the results.

I find making a President Grant on each winning outcome...is enough $$$$ to have at risk = 100.00 to make the $50.00 bill. When I a lose the

first step of the progression I move to a lost-loot-recovery-bet of $200.00 to recover the - $100.00.

If I lose the $200.00 bet ..... up to a + $600.00 lay-bet to recover the lost - $300.00.

Anyway.........

Changing the oil in my Navy-blue 2010 Prius, @ 10k miles this week, to leave on Friday morning for Vegas.

Yep ! ....found + $2,400.00 this PM.............WOW ! .....a $3,200.00 swing...........

WBB

[heavy]

Sort of like finding a coffee can full of cash you buried in the backyard and forgot about.

[Aztek]

I have done extensive testing with the 4/10 lay recently on wincraps. I concur that 4s and 10s do seem to sprout up in little clusters but upon further examination just about every number does eventually.

I had one very good winning streak of 18 sessions each resulting in a 300$ plus win and I thought I was onto something but they were quickly followed by 6 losers so it appeared on the surface there was just a string of luck.

The best thing I have found is to concentrate a 100 lay on one number that covers a 44 inside bet. After 2 hits reduce the lay down to 50 and then down to 0 after 2 more hits. After that press on. After a hit I also throw a few bucks on the hardway that helps take the sting out of your lay loss when it does occur.

I also use the world bet extensively which on the come out roll helps prop up a few winnings on that part of the game instead of just relying on 7s to hit. I find that craps come in little streaks as well and one of my biggest wins in testing came from a string of 7 craps that were mildly pressed. One set of rolls looked like this on the come out and was a lay betters dream which resulted in a $672 win from one come out roll:

7 11 7 2 7 3 3 11 7 2 6

[WOLFBYTE]

Hi Aztek,

I posted an updated version of the 4/10 System over on MP's board today. I ran it through the

first 30+ shooters in the Zumma book. I like your stats.

I know the 66.66% edge the player has on the 4/10 Lay-bet is not enough to overcome " clusters " of 44's and 1010's.

Therefore, betting triggers do a good job of jading the outcome-bias, to us, the player.

WBB