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Re: Welcome to the Crapless Craps Corner

Post by DarthNater » Wed May 18, 2022 8:02 am

Time to bump this and cross posting from another three asking about Crapless in Vegas with a few more adds….

There’s now more than ever crapless tables in Vegas.

I think every MGM property has at least one now, even the Bellagio (though it the notorious Table #1). They also seem to be proliferating at Ceasars properties as Bally’s and Paris have them. Haven’t seen one at Cromwell yet, but will be there next week.

Resorts World and Wynn each have two. I’ve also heard some intel that the M might add one. Someone told me they heard the Sahara got one, someone let us know. There wasn’t one at the Palms, nor are there any downtown…. Yet, lol

The Strat still has their two as well, where you can lay numbers and I believe you can lay at Paris and Bally’s as well. I will check next week. Wynn’s floor manager liked the lay idea as well, so we will see.

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Post by House of Orange » Wed May 18, 2022 9:02 am

Thanks Nate! What range of minimums? I know Biloxi likes $25 tables for crapless.

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Post by Big O » Wed May 18, 2022 9:15 am

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Post by DarthNater » Wed May 18, 2022 10:51 am

House of Orange wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 9:02 am Thanks Nate! What range of minimums? I know Biloxi likes $25 tables for crapless.
The minimums are all over the place. I’ve played Strat at $10 and $50, depends on who’s playing.

Down the Strip, it’s usually $15 or more.

In Biloxi, we played $15 at HGC regularly, but the Beau always seems to be at $25

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Post by HowieHops » Wed May 18, 2022 8:05 pm

Caesar's Indiana does not have crapless, Belterra does, Rising Star does, Hollywood does and Hard Rock Cincy does as well.

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Post by House of Orange » Wed May 18, 2022 10:49 pm

Thanks Howie! Definitely a hugh increase in tables in the last 10-5 years.

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Post by chuckindice » Thu May 19, 2022 7:09 am

(Not that anyone else ever seems to be around these parts, but......) I'm in Kansas, and I know the Kansas Star has 2 Crapless tables. I think in Kansas City, the AmeriStar and Hollywood Casinos both have Crapless tables. Not sure about other KC casinos. I don't know of any Crapless in northern Oklahoma. Not sure about Southern OK.

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Post by AllahPena » Thu May 19, 2022 12:41 pm

Cosmopolitan which is now MGM as of Tuesday will have crapless. Virgin has crapless for sure but I haven't played there. Venetian and Palazzo have 1 table each.

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Post by 220Inside » Thu May 19, 2022 7:08 pm

Don't waste your time with Virgin/Mohegan. It's terrible.

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Post by DarthNater » Fri May 20, 2022 7:00 am

220Inside wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 7:08 pm Don't waste your time with Virgin/Mohegan. It's terrible.
Agree, it’s on my no fly list, too.
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Post by kumar » Sun May 22, 2022 6:40 am

Crap less is very popular with the big players.Last trip at the Beau Rivage we were told at noon the Crap less table would open at 6 pm.All of a sudden they opened the table at 1 pm by shutting a regular table down and moving the crew over.We bought in ,second shooter had a decent roll and next thing I noticed was the guy on stick right had a $1000 on the 2 and 12.He only played 4 shooters and left but I could understand why the casino accelerated the opening of the Crap less table.
Danger of playing Crap less is one can lose at a faster rate and requires great discipline to walk.At Cherokee they have also added the ALL/TALL/SMALL.
It is tough for dealers to keep up with however it accelerates the rate at which players lose.

A group of us will be at the Bellagio in 3 weeks.First trip to Vegas in 3 years.Any thoughts on those tables?

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Post by DarthNater » Sun May 22, 2022 7:38 am

The Bellagio crapless table is the worse. Before they put the crapless layout on it, it was BAD; not Resorts World bouncy bad, but it’s on my no fly list. There are better mgm crapless, try the Excalibur and standby for a trip report on the Paris/Bally’s crapless experience

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Post by Big O » Sun May 22, 2022 8:03 am

standby for a trip report on the Paris/Bally’s crapless experience
anxious to hear. I had a friend that played a couple of sessions on it recently and did well on that table
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Post by AllahPena » Sun May 22, 2022 12:45 pm

I assume over the summer with the wsop being at Paris/Ballys that those craps tables will be busier than normal.

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Post by DarthNater » Mon May 23, 2022 10:43 pm

AllahPena wrote: Sun May 22, 2022 12:45 pm I assume over the summer with the wsop being at Paris/Ballys that those craps tables will be busier than normal.
Well, you may want to rethink that Poker thing as the Bally's Crapless table got hit by the Death Star today.........

Yeah, with a fistful of excuses and no practice in 3 weeks, and after conducting a five hour Advanced Bonetracker Class and Tune-up, we made a flyby.

First, you can lay any of the 10 numbers. They want the vig upfront. I tested it, as when we arrived a DI-wannabe using the 3311 set was in mid hand, needing only the 2 & 12 for the All. He made the Tall and I bet a No Four as it was getting paid. Three rolls later, the devil paid. Two shooters later, I get the dice, go $5/5/5 and $1/1/1 for the crew and bet a World, ace-deuce using my 11/12 X6 set. Alas, no horns, but it was killing the 5 and 9 and eventually had knocked off all six box numbers. I switched to a V-2 that's uptown rich and bagged a Yo and a bunch of fours (yeah, Parson, that set). After my fourth point, I switched to another X6 horn set and bagged the ace-deuce, then nothing but box numbers with it. Then switched to the 2 & 3 rich set and got a couple of twelves, hitting the Tall. Caesar's does not reset after a side is hit, so that second 12 did not start another Tall wager, so just kept chasing the 2. Made the point instead. Then went full GWAG mode with a World/Hi/Lo & a field and tossed a very sweet 2. It was a nice hit and the dealer was so excited that they wanted to pay the Pass Line, but the stick reminded them it was a come-out. Unfortunately after another 20 or so tosses, I didn't make that point (sorry Aaron....) nor the Yo which was all I needed for a second Tall.

I may have to declare this the best Crapless Table in Vegas, as it's a 12 footer (barely?), and has little bounce and accepts lay bets. The lighting is poor along the wall, but the LZ is easy to see. Special thanks to Dean the Machine for his recon last month! I may even forsake The Strat.....as at least here I have a safe place to park.

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Re: Welcome to the Crapless Craps Corner

Post by Big O » Tue May 24, 2022 8:14 am

I may have to declare this the best Crapless Table in Vegas, as it's a 12 footer (barely?)
I hate i didnt get an opportunity to play this table or meet up for a session together when i was there earlier this year. Congrats on the win. Love 12ft crapsless tables.
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Re: Welcome to the Crapless Craps Corner

Post by AllahPena » Tue May 24, 2022 12:38 pm

Great to hear Nate. Now can you please get these RW tables figured out :)

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Re: Welcome to the Crapless Craps Corner

Post by DarthNater » Tue May 24, 2022 9:39 pm

AllahPena wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 12:38 pm Great to hear Nate. Now can you please get these RW tables figured out :)
Yepper, it's gonna take a few more sessions on those beasties. I need to groove my toss back into game shape after my three week hiatus as reality struck today and reminded me that the success margins are narrow, so I pulled my head back to earth and started grooving the toss at the Fremont. Then its "on to Cincinnati" [RW, lol]

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Re: Welcome to the Crapless Craps Corner

Post by Parson » Wed May 25, 2022 6:08 am

Bring it to biloxi nate!
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Re: Welcome to the Crapless Craps Corner

Post by House of Orange » Wed May 25, 2022 9:55 am

So it seems there are now 10-20 (WAG) crapless tables in Vegas. Surely we are not beholden to RW?

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