Max Across Crapless Strategy

Setting and influencing the dice roll is just part of the picture. To beat the dice you have to know how to bet the dice. Whether you call it a "system," a "strategy," or just a way to play - this is the place to discuss it.

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Re: Max Across Crapless Strategy

Post by DarthNater » Fri Dec 24, 2021 7:22 pm

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That's some serious action, have you asked them to raise the maximums to $15,000? If they don't, I'd think Bellagio might want to work with you

Let me think a bit more as depending on your DI prowess, I'd put a regression in early, maybe to. I know a couple of crapless hi roller types, they all press the outside most numbers, looking for the mega-hit on the 2/3/11/12. I've seen it work well. Feel free to PM me for details, DN8R
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Re: Max Across Crapless Strategy

Post by DarthNater » Fri Dec 24, 2021 10:11 pm

Since you said it takes 7-8 hits to break even, I’d take all winnings from the seventh and eighth hits and all the monies on the 6 and 8 and after that eighth hit I’d put it on the 2,3,11,12 and then go right to my best horn set that is 2 or 12 rich. I’m presuming you have only one crapless table in the Wynn private room and so you’re familiar with it’s physics and understand how your toss behaves. Then it’s analytics, as I know from my advanced sniping studies that not all horn sets are created equal. Plus the set’s ordering of top and secondary distributions will be different on that crapless table than on your practice table.

I would go so far as to chart set vs actual results on the Wynn crapless and then further engineer within my Coaster Group to get that “best” horn set. Since you can bring others, I suggest you bring a chartist. They should be able to watch your left die from release to result, so you have a left and right result for the set you tossed. The more data the more actionable results.

I have done a scaled down version of this on a certain crapless table in vegas and it helped greatly in how I pressed my bets as there’s a level of detail in the analysis so you know your frequent and infrequent numbers

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Re: Max Across Crapless Strategy

Post by AllahPena » Fri Dec 24, 2021 10:22 pm

DarthNater wrote: Fri Dec 24, 2021 7:22 pm AP-
That's some serious action, have you asked them to raise the maximums to $15,000? If they don't, I'd think Bellagio might want to work with you

Let me think a bit more as depending on your DI prowess, I'd put a regression in early, maybe to. I know a couple of crapless hi roller types, they all press the outside most numbers, looking for the mega-hit on the 2/3/11/12. I've seen it work well. Feel free to PM me for details, DN8R
I'm sure they'd give me higher limits if I asked but honestly I'm already playing crackhead levels as I get pressed up. 262k is plenty. I have to stop and say to myself at times wtf, I seriously have 20k on 12. Lol... It's nice when it hits and pays 95k though

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Re: Max Across Crapless Strategy

Post by DarthNater » Sat Dec 25, 2021 9:09 am

AllahPena wrote: Fri Dec 24, 2021 10:22 pm
I'm sure they'd give me higher limits if I asked but honestly I'm already playing crackhead levels as I get pressed up. 262k is plenty. I have to stop and say to myself at times wtf, I seriously have 20k on 12. Lol... It's nice when it hits and pays 95k though
$95k? Not $115? I saw earlier where you said the odds are 2-3-4-5x. Would it not be 2-3-4-5-6x ? Most places in town pay 6 to 1 when you buy the 2 or 12.

Also, do they allow lay bets like the Strat does?

Just curious, thanks, DN8R
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Re: Max Across Crapless Strategy

Post by AllahPena » Sat Dec 25, 2021 11:45 am

DarthNater wrote: Sat Dec 25, 2021 9:09 am
AllahPena wrote: Fri Dec 24, 2021 10:22 pm
I'm sure they'd give me higher limits if I asked but honestly I'm already playing crackhead levels as I get pressed up. 262k is plenty. I have to stop and say to myself at times wtf, I seriously have 20k on 12. Lol... It's nice when it hits and pays 95k though
$95k? Not $115? I saw earlier where you said the odds are 2-3-4-5x. Would it not be 2-3-4-5-6x ? Most places in town pay 6 to 1 when you buy the 2 or 12.

Also, do they allow lay bets like the Strat does?

Just curious, thanks, DN8R
2x odds on craps numbers. 2/12 pay 6-1 and 3/11 pay 3-1... on the 12 5k place bet pays 30k less 250 juice and 5k come bet with 10k odds pays 65k. I also have played crapless at RW twice, they allow 3x odds on craps numbers

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Re: Max Across Crapless Strategy

Post by kumar » Tue May 24, 2022 6:41 pm

A friend of mine loves the Wynn.I understand on saturday evenings table minimums start at $100. I love $25 tables and hence will be at the Bellagio in a couple of weeks with 4 other players.

You mentioned at one point you had invited a professional shooter that did not work out.I am not surprised .The pressure to shoot with that much money at risk is enormous.To shoot well one has to be relaxed.A friend of mine,who can no longer play the game because of health,always jokes.When great shooters get together it is the perfect time to play the Donts.

I focus more on betting strategies and if a shooter has a hot hand that is a bonus.Betting strategies are focused on minimizing losses and taking the juice out of a good roll.

Question-What is the max bet allowed at the Wynn on the 2/12? At the Beau Rivage I think it is $1000.

Good luck;sounds like you are having fun.

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Re: Max Across Crapless Strategy

Post by AllahPena » Tue May 24, 2022 6:49 pm

5k placed, 5k come 2x odds on craps #s. Those are the max at Wynn and they will not go higher

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Re: Max Across Crapless Strategy

Post by kumar » Wed May 25, 2022 5:20 am

Clarification-In my earlier post I had mentioned it is a great time to play the Donts when a group of good shooters get together.
I was being funny,however the pressure to perform in front of peers is very great.One has to be relaxed to shoot. I enjoy playing with my group and feel I have a slight edge versus playing with a group of random shooters.
Regarding crap less betting strategies- I try to reach break even on the specific shooter by roll 5 thru regression and do not consider come betting .
Hardest thing in craps is to reach the break even point on each shooter;after that it is gravy.
If Wynn limits how much you can bet try other places.Very hard to take advantage of a good roll if one reaches max bets fast.
Regarding losses;at a certain level of play most casinos will kick back anywhere between 10 -18 % of losses.However this has to be negotiated upfront.
Anyway I am sure what I am saying is old stuff and you are probably on top of it.
Enjoy the game;it is a great challenge to the mind.

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