Heavy's Axis Power Craps Forum

Hello All, first post here. I'm sure this has been covered to some extent but I wanted to ask about my particular situation. I mainly play crapless in vegas 2-3-4-5 odds. I play 47k (max) across and usually 2-3k PL w/ full odds. This is my standard starting bet and I'm not interested in changing. Where I've been experimenting is when and how to press and how much with come bets, put bets, etc. Sometimes I will wait until I'm breaking even which is 7-8 rolls and do 1k put bets across with odds, then sometimes I'll start pressing immediately with 2k come bets or 3k come bets and keep pressing until I'm at table max for both across (not coming down) and come bets with full odds which I think is 262k. I know as long as I'm hitting #s and long rolls these things don't really matter but that perfect world obviously doesn't exist.

I appreciate all good feedback

Damn Bruh. 47k ? Is this just when you shoot or do you play that much on randies?

I only play with private tables. No Gen Pop. Lol

r_ventura_23 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 9:25 pm Damn Bruh. 47k ? Is this just when you shoot or do you play that much on randies?

Also, I have a few friends that I'll let play also. I'm the only one that really uses dice control/setting though. I've hired a "professional" in vegas before but it ended up being more of an expense than anything. First night he rolled hot and gave him a decent amount but overall after maybe 10 sessions it probably cost more than it was worth.

AllahPena wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:59 pm Also, I have a few friends that I'll let play also. I'm the only one that really uses dice control/setting though. I've hired a "professional" in vegas before but it ended up being more of an expense than anything. First night he rolled hot and gave him a decent amount but overall after maybe 10 sessions it probably cost more than it was worth.

I hope you didn't find this "professional" on YouTube

The starting amount, is just an amount … if i was looking at doing this type of play, your going to need those repeating numbers for it to win considerably more than the initial outlay. It would seem that since your maxed out initially (47k) then come bets to take down the initial might he an option. Its early, my brain is foggy …. But like i said the initial amount is the amount, id want it recovered before that 7 or 8 rolls if possible. Come bets with repeaters would work replacing the place, but crapless has a lot of numbers, which means going across at any amount is hard recover.

$48K across on crapless go one hit on anything and regress to $30K across and thereafter who cares. No problems. I do this all the time.

That $4K a number? First hit midnight at $24K less vig would be sweet!

House of Orange wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:17 am That $4K a number? First hit midnight at $24K less vig would be sweet!

I think he's doing $5k a number ($45k) plus $2k PL.

What casino opens a private table crapless?

Parson wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 7:42 am The starting amount, is just an amount … if i was looking at doing this type of play, your going to need those repeating numbers for it to win considerably more than the initial outlay. It would seem that since your maxed out initially (47k) then come bets to take down the initial might he an option. Its early, my brain is foggy …. But like i said the initial amount is the amount, id want it recovered before that 7 or 8 rolls if possible. Come bets with repeaters would work replacing the place, but crapless has a lot of numbers, which means going across at any amount is hard recover.

That first part is so true. It's easy to get caught up in what are big numbers for you, but everyone's financial/bankroll situation is different. It's all a matter of zeros. Perhaps AP's buy in is $100k, which might be equivalent, comfort wise, to someone buying in with $1k. The right sized bets just scale to meet the number of zeros.

The same works on the winnings as well. If AP colors up his $100k buy in and walks away with $350k, that's $250k profit, That would be equivalent to our $1k buy in bettor coloring for for a $2500 profit. Both walk away happy.

House of Orange wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:21 am What casino opens a private table crapless?

My guess would be any one of them, if a bettor with that kind of action wants one.

Yes, but if you start winning..they get tired quickly of yr. action up in the hundred thousand area.

House of Orange wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:17 am That $4K a number? First hit midnight at $24K less vig would be sweet!

Max across is 5k per # and 6k on 6/8

House of Orange wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:21 am What casino opens a private table crapless?

Basically anywhere but I mainly play crapless at Wynn in Vegas

Parson wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 7:42 am The starting amount, is just an amount … if i was looking at doing this type of play, your going to need those repeating numbers for it to win considerably more than the initial outlay. It would seem that since your maxed out initially (47k) then come bets to take down the initial might he an option. Its early, my brain is foggy …. But like i said the initial amount is the amount, id want it recovered before that 7 or 8 rolls if possible. Come bets with repeaters would work replacing the place, but crapless has a lot of numbers, which means going across at any amount is hard recover.

I'm going to need 7-8 paying #s to recover the 47k because it pays 7k mostly unless I can hit 2/12 (30k), 3/11 (15k), 4/10 (10k)... I know what needs to happen to break even and free roll. My question is about pressing what, when and how

Moe Bettor wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:56 am Yes, but if you start winning..they get tired quickly of yr. action up in the hundred thousand area.

I've been up 2M+ over a pretty decent time and they don't blink at letting me keep playing. I'm risking 200k+/roll quite often and it's Wynn, not some small time place.

Ok. Even Wynn built his empire on losers. If you take a couple mil from his place and don't lose a few..I'd be surprised if they booked yr. action. The old statement from them is.."No thanks. You're too good for us." Then again you did not say that you won constantly..so if yr. up and down a few hundred K here and there..no problem. Thanks for posting.

Moe Bettor wrote: ↑Fri Dec 24, 2021 2:32 pm Ok. Even Wynn built his empire on losers. If you take a couple mil from his place and don't lose a few..I'd be surprised if they booked yr. action. The old statement from them is.."No thanks. You're too good for us." Then again you did not say that you won constantly..so if yr. up and down a few hundred K here and there..no problem. Thanks for posting.

I beat them for around 600k last year 2020, then I WAS up around 2.3M this year until a disaster 24 hours 2 weeks ago where I lost 1.2... they did not cut me off obviously but about 6 months ago they told me I was disqualified for table games freeroll tournaments and discounts. However they did end up giving me a nice discount from my last trip, very classy of them... that's the long and short of it.

Ok, so what to press, gee everybody has their own way… on extremes i pres one unit and rack, then two units and rack… everything else is for me a partial press and collect.

Some crapless guys in MS that are bettors not shooters, will use 6/8 winnings to press the extremes, generally the three and eleven first.