Heavy's Axis Power Craps Forum

I need some ideas for replenishing hard way bets... I use a 64-55 set and focus on the H4/10s. I'm on a $15 table. I've been booking $130/135 Across and regressing to 78/81 Across after two hits. This allows a $15 bet on the Place 4 and P10. If I lost a $5 H4 or H10 bet to a soft 4/10, I'd just replenish it from the Place bet payoff (and take the P4 or P10 to $25).

Lately since a dice tossing tune-up, I'm betting $25 on the P4 and P10 at the start (with the Inside numbers @ the minimums) because I'm getting better at hitting the 4/10s. When I hit the H4/10 @ $25, I'll pay the $75 to push that specific HW number $100, and rack up $100. I leave the Place bet at $25 (I take the whole $49 payoff). My thinking is, I'll "lock" $150 for the H4 I just hit and with no monetary impact to my rack, I'm lurking for a $700 payoff--and if a soft 4 kills my HW bet, I'll use the P4 $50-for-1 payoff to replenish the empty H4 slot with a $50 bet.

I've only stayed on the table a couple times after the $100 H4 or H10 has hit. My plan for when the $100 H4 hits is to press the H4 to $150 and the Place 4 to $75--but it's just a plan. Usually I just turn everything off and color up.

Recently, as I reported in another thread, I hit multiple H4/10s and pressed them from 100, 150, 200, 300, but I didn't have a real plan for skimming HW winnings to press my Place bets. My only thinking took me to betting about half the HW amount on each Place 4/10 so I could recoup enough to replace the lost HW bet in total. That plan doesn't profit at all from a soft 4/10 and I wonder how you'd bet so that that omission isn't built in.

So this is me asking all ya'll for a plan of aggression to see what might be the best way to run a tandem between HWs and Place bets as the HW bet grows (IF you actually wanna protect it with your Place bet).

Thank you, Guys!

This is a multi-layered affair, since you want your Place bet on the even number to pay sufficient to replace your Hardway bet plus lock up a profit in the event the number rolls easy. Then you want to spread the profit from your hardway hit around, locking up a portion of it as profit while pressing the remainder among hardways and Place Bets. At least that's how I would look at it.

Now it comes down to apportioning how much goes where. Let's assume you want to lock up at least 50% of each hit as profit and reinvest the other 50% on even numbers. And if the number rolls easy you'll spend no more than half of your 50% replacing the Hardway bet and use the other half pressing the number that hit. Say it's the Four. You have it at $50 and have a $20 Hard Four out there. It rolls easy. You get paid net $95 on the Four and lose the Hard Four. You replace the Hard Four for $20, put $50 in the rack, and press the Four to $75. Yeah, you had to take $5 out of the rack to pay your vig to do all that with the $100 payoff on the Four. Close enough. Now let's say the Four rolled Hard. You get paid $95 net on the Buy bet plus $140 on the Hardway. It's easy for me because I always double my Four and Ten witht he Payoff. Drop $5 and tell the dealer to make the Four look like $100. When they cut out the $140 for me I take $70 and press it to $90 (you could take 80 and go to 100 if you like easy to calculate payoffs) and then I'd take the remaining $70 and split it between my two dominant numbers in the hand. Most likely the Six and Four or the Eight and Ten. So probably $30 pressure on the Six and $40 on the Ten. If I wanted, I might split the $40 in to $20 pressure on the Nine and Ten. But you get the drift. As an alternative, I might consider pressing the Six by $30 and then pressing my Hardways all $10 each.

So, there you go. Not too complicated. Just takes a little bit of thought.

Thanks, Heavy! That's kind of what I arrived at after much mental convolution. In a minute I'll post a Trip Report and you'll see what I did with everything I learned in the last coupla weeks.

But the essence of my solution to this problem was that I had decided to book a 25-10 ratio on the Place -Hways on the 4s and 10s, which looks almost 'zackly like your advice I think.

Thanks again. b