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by DONaTello
Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:05 am
Forum: Betting Systems and Strategies for Casino Craps
Topic: John Patrick
Replies: 7
Views: 9533

Re: John Patrick

John's book, 'Craps' was my start to the game. I read it before I ever played. Early on I used the Patrick system successfully. His 'Advanced Craps' was next.

I learned a lot from him.

Sharpshooter's and Yuri K's books took me to the next level.
by DONaTello
Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:56 am
Forum: Heavy's Wrong Way Craps
Topic: Where's the Dark Side Love ??
Replies: 128
Views: 111650

Re: Where's the Dark Side Love ??

Hey LS, nice to see you too!

I wish we had done better, both charting and playing. :)

There were two good things that happened for me that day. I got to meet a fellow APC member and I got a refresher course on listening to my own rules. LOL I need that once in a while.
by DONaTello
Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:52 am
Forum: Heavy's Wrong Way Craps
Topic: Where's the Dark Side Love ??
Replies: 128
Views: 111650

Re: Where's the Dark Side Love ??

I lived in Vegas for a year and played or at least observed many of the big houses on the strip on a daily basis. I charted before every single play and played mostly the Dark Side. #1 was NYNY. Although I have played the Do there and won, I still look mostly for the Don't at NYNY. I played the Dark...
by DONaTello
Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:52 pm
Forum: Betting Systems and Strategies for Casino Craps
Topic: Surf and Turf anyone?
Replies: 8
Views: 8844

Re: Surf and Turf anyone?

DonaTello if you study the information on Bone Tracker I thnk you will fine what you are trying to accomplish. I found the "Box Numbers to Sevens Ratios" chart but I did not find a way to extract 6's and 8' to 7's. I suspect that the "Inside" column would include 5 and 9 in addi...
by DONaTello
Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:43 am
Forum: Betting Systems and Strategies for Casino Craps
Topic: Modular practice box
Replies: 7
Views: 7925

Re: Modular practice box

I didn't get to see what to composition of the tables at the Four Queens is, just my observations of the bounce/rebound.

I should be able to get a bottom with a Formica surface built up this week. I have some flannel and felt for covering.

Please shoot some pix to show your build up.
by DONaTello
Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:27 am
Forum: Betting Systems and Strategies for Casino Craps
Topic: Surf and Turf anyone?
Replies: 8
Views: 8844

Re: Surf and Turf anyone?

I am working from the point of view that I am rolling 5% more 6's and 8's than normal and 5% fewer 7's and other numbers. If that is true the table below shows the normal distribution for all numbers and with the distribution that I am assuming. The tables shows that all other numbers are reduced an...
by DONaTello
Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:03 pm
Forum: Betting Systems and Strategies for Casino Craps
Topic: Modular practice box
Replies: 7
Views: 7925

Re: Modular practice box

Thanks for the info. That explains what I was seeing at the Four Queens, bouncy with inconstant results. The info on the Formica is great intel. That goes a long way toward explaining the differing results I have been seeing using wood products only. I will go find a piece of Formica and give it a t...
by DONaTello
Fri Nov 20, 2015 1:22 pm
Forum: Betting Systems and Strategies for Casino Craps
Topic: Modular practice box
Replies: 7
Views: 7925

Re: Modular practice box

Thanks for the kind words and your input. I am working on developing a 'hardness scale' to be able to distinguish one table in Vegas from another. I am still pretty new at this and still learning to be able to distinguish one table from another and then to quantify the differences. I will add your f...
by DONaTello
Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:09 pm
Forum: Betting Systems and Strategies for Casino Craps
Topic: Surf and Turf anyone?
Replies: 8
Views: 8844

Surf and Turf anyone?

Old school Craps players will recognize the term “Steak and Eggs” as Placing the 6 and 8. This strategy is a little different so I am going to give it a new name. I like “Surf and Turf” and since it involves a Strategy more involved than simply placing the 6 and 8 I am going to give it that name. Fi...
by DONaTello
Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:05 pm
Forum: Betting Systems and Strategies for Casino Craps
Topic: Modular practice box
Replies: 7
Views: 7925

Re: Modular practice box

Update, The first iteration was the Accucraps box with the doweled ends turned out. That was for proof of concept and it worked. The pix are of that configuration. Next I tried 1/2" Maple plywood with flannel and felt. Still too hard. Next I overlayed the Maple plywood with a piece of 5 mm Laua...
by DONaTello
Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:05 pm
Forum: Betting Systems and Strategies for Casino Craps
Topic: Just noodling a bit
Replies: 15
Views: 13677

Re: Just noodling a bit

My preference, if I am traveling alone, would be to not place any bets on randies for obvious reasons. It would be nice however to catch a hot roll if one should occur while I am waiting for the dice to come around again. My experience with the Dealers is that if you skip more than one shooter they ...
by DONaTello
Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:13 pm
Forum: Betting Systems and Strategies for Casino Craps
Topic: Modular practice box
Replies: 7
Views: 7925

Modular practice box

This doesn’t seem like the right category but neither did any other so I stuck it here. Heavy, if you have a better place for it please let me know. In the spring I ordered a practice box from Accucraps. I didn’t have access to any woodworking equipment and wanted something ready to go. It is nicely...
by DONaTello
Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:58 pm
Forum: Betting Systems and Strategies for Casino Craps
Topic: Introducing Myself
Replies: 12
Views: 10972

Re: Introducing Myself

"I also don't let any one shooter take me for more than one bet. That last part is Graftstein not MP." Yes, I've read this a couple of times...just to clarify, does that mean that once you win or lose, you don't place another bet until another shooter comes up? You probably didn't think t...
by DONaTello
Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:50 pm
Forum: Betting Systems and Strategies for Casino Craps
Topic: What do you guys do?
Replies: 8
Views: 8951

Re: What do you guys do?

Lately I have been experimenting with using the 5 count and then Placing the 6 and 8 until I get one hit on either and then turn them both off until the next point or shooter. I do this to not be so obvious about only betting on myself. Keep in mind that no 'system' actually works. They only appear ...
by DONaTello
Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:25 am
Forum: Heavy's Wrong Way Craps
Topic: An Interesting Discussion....
Replies: 21
Views: 23108

Re: An Interesting Discussion....

The questions are: (assuming a random game) If you were to compare, over say 500 decisions, a $47 flat don't bet, against a $5 flat bet and lay $42 in odds - Assuming a random game in the sense that over the course of 500 rolls the outcomes are perfectly distributed as expected, betting with odds w...
by DONaTello
Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:09 pm
Forum: Betting Systems and Strategies for Casino Craps
Topic: Protecting the ATS
Replies: 6
Views: 6581

Re: Protecting the ATS

I find the ATS an interesting distraction and little more. When I'm the shooter - or when another DI I'm acquainted with has the dice - I'll toss $5 our and bet 2-1-2. On shooters I've qualified on a previous hand I'll bet 1-1-1. As far as the rest of them are concerned - I keep my chips in the rac...
by DONaTello
Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:59 pm
Forum: Betting Systems and Strategies for Casino Craps
Topic: Protecting the ATS
Replies: 6
Views: 6581

Re: Protecting the ATS

I typically do not change my set once I get past the initial come-out and point establishment when playing the ATS game. If I roll the dice long enough - all the numbers will eventually roll. If not - they won't. As soon as you go jacking with your set trying to out-think the the game you've shifte...
by DONaTello
Sat Sep 19, 2015 3:25 pm
Forum: Betting Systems and Strategies for Casino Craps
Topic: Protecting the ATS
Replies: 6
Views: 6581

Protecting the ATS

If you have not seen the ATS bet it is relatively new. There are actually three separate bets. You can bet that the Small numbers, 2 through 6, will come before any 7 or the Tall numbers, 8 through 12 will come before any 7 or All numbers, both the Small and the Tall will come before any 7. As a gen...
by DONaTello
Fri May 01, 2015 2:05 pm
Forum: Heavy's Wrong Way Craps
Topic: Trying to wrap my head around this strategy
Replies: 7
Views: 8131

Re: Trying to wrap my head around this strategy

The D/D is a useful strategy if the table charts a mediocre to moderate Don't. If it charts a strong Don't then I play just the DP.