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[Riggs]

Forgive what may be a dumb question, but what are the minimums for the new electronic betting craps tables where you still roll the dice. Can you go down to $5 or even lower minimum bets?
Would allow you to do this sort of big across and regress bet from a lower level.

[House of Orange]

$5 minimum, have heard $10. You can change your bets in between rolls, but gotta be fast!

[Big O]

Can you go down to $5 or even lower minimum bets?

It depends on where you play. Its been a long time since i was there but at Winstar in Oklahoma you could go down to $1

[DarthNater]

I thought I’d bump this .....

I’m not a big regression guy, but I like the ideas above of pressing on the first, and likely also on the second hit; then changing the set (within the Group) to hit the outside pressed number.

I talked with Coaster about this last week in Biloxi and he also mentioned another variant where the pressed number is the six or eight, then switching to the six or eight set.

We know a couple of guys got large hits on the six soon after and perhaps they would like to share?

DN8R

[memo]

N8,

I am not sure if you are looking for a description of a big score, or regression...So I will place a few thoughts on regression and see where it goes.

First, this is a 'short game' strategy in hopes of getting a return of original bet and ending up being positioned for a longer hand if it develops..(big score)

While I do not use the 204 because of the confusion it creates, I like the press, press, hit and regress because it gives you a sizable return for the risk involved. Something that is not so true when you take three hits to the rack then regress. In my mind (and this is debatable)..The risk is similar, while the larger return makes it better justified.

Since this is a 'short game' strategy, it is important to maximize the hits..You only get three. Dominant numbers are important..Coaster charts come into play. I think one should also take into consideration numbers that are dominant, just because of the odds. ie. The 6,8..possibly 5,9. Or, what ever a shooter is most inclined to do.
In a random game this would probably be inside numbers.

I believe it is also better to press in pairs, which increases your probability of repeated hits. (you only get three)..
The goal is to repeat already pressed up numbers, which increases your net. ie. A hit on the nine placed at 35 dollars pays two green chips which are pressed on the 5, 9. A hit on either number has a payout of 84 dollars. Press the 5,9 to 75...the 6,8..placed at 30.. to 42.. Next inside hit pays 105 or 49, and down to your favorite regressed numbers, and its off to the races with strong table position and sizable profit.

Memo

[Parson]

This would be an interesting thing in Ms, except press from outside to inside, 4 and 10 first, the 5 and 9…. Or maybe 5and nine first? That auto but has to be thought about.

[DarthNater]

This would be an interesting thing in Ms, except press from outside to inside, 4 and 10 first, the 5 and 9…. Or maybe 5and nine first? That auto but has to be thought about.

I’m thinking more along the lines of our discussion before we did your YouTube recording. Use your TOP 4/10 set that is also strong across. First inside hit, press the 4 & 10. Second hit, press the 4 & 10. Third hit regress. That gives you at least three tries for a 4 or 10. Then the question is what do you regress to? I’m thinking Evens.

DN8R

[coaster]

As I recall MP came up with his $204 as a system to be used on DI’s when you didn’t know their signature numbers. The Hawaii shooters added their twist to it and renamed it the Hawaii Five-O. Either version you get paid $50 for 1 on each hit that is not pressed. Remember, this is a system to be used on known DI’s not Randy’s. Following are the ways I’ve been practicing a combination of both with my slight adjustments to make it fit into my comfort zone.

For a $15 table after the point is established go $204 across. Use the set (within your best group) that is best for both 4/10 and across. I’d take two hits and regress. The 1st hit gets stacked on the 4 and 10 in hopes of getting a $100 hit on your 2nd shot. But for sure I’m down after 2 hits. Those two hits have paid me either $98 or $147. I could come totally down at this point and take my profit. However the play I like is to come down to $66 inside and use my best inside set from the same group. At this point I’m up either $32 or $81 and in position to make a nice profit.

After watching Parson kill the inside on the video after his BT talk with DN8R this could be a great play for him. Two shots in the book, already ahead and set to make any play you want.

On a $10 table I use a $150 version instead of the $204. On the $150 version I would rack the hits rather than stack them. Each hit pays $35. Rack two hits and you are in position to regress to either $44 or $66 inside and go from there. Actually, the $150 across could also be used for a $15 table. You can either stop after 2 hits or go for 3 since you have racked $70 you are only risking $80 for the 3rd hit not the entire amount as if you were stacking them. That 3rd hit gives you $105 to work with. You can go $44 inside or $64 across on a $10 table or $66 inside or $96 across on either $10 or $15 tables.

I’ve been practicing the past two weeks using different versions and chips. Try it yourself see how it works. I’ve tossed 106 hands in 16 sessions. Yes, I’ve had hands that never got to regression some sessions more than one. Overall my total buy in has still more than doubled. I’m really looking forward to my next casino trip and ready to try it starting with the $150 version.

Coaster

[DarthNater]

Coaster,
Super post!
MP didn’t have the knowledge of The Chart. With the Chart I can change my signature numbers; and/or NOT bet across and put all the risk on my TOP 3 - if I’ve validated the table. That could mean one hit and regress, I think; though it’ll bring some heat, so across might be better.

DN8R

[Parson]

Coaster makes some very valid points, i was wargaming last night and i could not decide whether to reduce after two hits or three ….. then there was the issue, but nine is at 80 …. Do i really want to take them down? Then it was like, i almost have them all paying a black chip …. I’d say, pick a number like two and regress down …. But Lordy, that $50 ten and $80 nine look good!

[DarthNater]

Coaster makes some very valid points, i was wargaming last night and i could not decide whether to reduce after two hits or three ….. then there was the issue, but nine is at 80 …. Do i really want to take them down? Then it was like, i almost have them all paying a black chip …. I’d say, pick a number like two and regress down …. But Lordy, that $50 ten and $80 nine look good!

I know, well, cut the two/three bets that haven’t hit to minimum levels then you should be closer to breakeven, right?

DN8R

[heavy]

Power Pressing the first two hits and then taking the third and bringing everything down resolves all of that, doesn't it?

[Mattyboyywonder]

My variation focuses on the 6/8 and then expands. $60 on the 6/8 ($120 total) the power press first two hits so $90 on the 6/8 ($180 total) then $150 on the 6/8 ($300 total). On the 3rd hit regress to $30 on the 6/8 ($60 total) with $25 on the 5/9 ($50 total) which leaves me in a position to play for a long roll. With the 3rd hit, regression and expansion I pocket $240 profit which worth two shooters ($120 per shooter). I go back and forth on the risk reward of regressing after two or three hits.

[Mattyboyywonder]

My variation focuses on the 6/8 and then expands. $60 on the 6/8 ($120 total) the power press first two hits so $90 on the 6/8 ($180 total) then $150 on the 6/8 ($300 total). On the 3rd hit regress to $30 on the 6/8 ($60 total) with $25 on the 5/9 ($50 total) which leaves me in a position to play for a long roll. With the 3rd hit, regression and expansion I pocket $240 profit which worth two shooters ($120 per shooter). I go back and forth on the risk reward of regressing after two or three hits.

After playing around with the above I've found that regressing after two hits starting with $60 on the 6/8 ($120 total) gets me the same percentage return on my initial bet ($120) as if I regressed after three hits starting with $60 on the 6/8 ($120 total) AND $50 on the 5/9 ($100 total) which leads me to the following question, is the extra $100 outlay worth adding the 5/9? Essentially I would have 4 numbers to hit twice vs 2 numbers to hit twice, I don't know how really to guage the cost/benefit.