Hank's DP 4/10 & my 4/10 DP System...glued into the Neural

[memo]

Wolfbyte, aka wwwww was an interesting read. He was enthusiastic in his method of play and medical forays south of the border.
It was unfortunate that I was never able to really get an understanding of what he was doing...No matter how much I studied it.
Maybe it was the 'Neural' part...I could not get a connection.
Hope he is playing everyday in that great game in the sky.

Memo

[heavy]

The "Neural" was a strategy sold by Silverthorn (I think that's his name - an insurance salesman from Albuquerque if memory serves me). It's nothing more than a Fibonacci progression. The basic fibo is based on a betting progression as follows:

1 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 5 - 8 - 13 . . . where each bet is the sum of the two previous bets. It is a negative progression where you increase your base bet as you lose. When you win you "same bet" the next bet. If you win two in a row you regress to the base unit wager. The problem with the neural is that on a long streak of losers in (for example) a $10 game your bet size increases greatly after five or six losses. Just add a zero on all of the numbers above and you'll see what I mean.

I may be mis-remembering this, but I believe wwwww countered the step up to the $100 plus bets by implementing a first tier fibo with a five step bet before resetting to a second tier fibo. He set a limit of (for example) five losing bets. Again, adding a zero simulating a $10 game that would be a $50 bet lost. If that happened he would add a second tier neural and regress to something like a two unit bet and run another progression. It would look like this:

2 - 2 - 4 - 6 - 10

If you add a zero you're looking at $10 game bets. Basically he'd have to lose ten bets in a row before calling it a loss and walking down around $320 in the above example.

He also ran a "three capping" side count where he looked for three consecutive same way decisions in a game - then he's "cap: them by betting the opposite side. For example, if he saw Pass - Pass - Pass then his next bet would be Don't Pass. I think I have that right. Dylanfreake can correct me if I'm wrong because I know he looked at this strategy in some detail.

Hank's System is a Four and Ten Lay system with triggers as to when to lay them. This is all detailed above and on other threads on this forum and on the old Dice Institute board.

[skasower]

Heavy, Thank you for bumping this thread up to the present. What a character WWWWWW was. I read through his posts and even though I have advanced degrees in economics and quite a bit of statistics, WWWWWW lost me frequently with his humor. I understand the fibo betting progression and I think I am understanding the Capping to limit extreme losses. What confuses me is whether WWWWW was attempting to run these progressions long enough to approximate a random string of tosses or if his fibo progressions were impacted by his DI tosses. He mentions frequently that he played really late (or was that really early) such that he was the only person at the table.

Anyhow, I will re-read this thread and miss this guy WWWWWW. He is rightfully part of the craps history.

skasower...aka...

[heavy]

wwwww (wolfbyte) was a different breed of cat for sure. He attended a crapsfest event we did in Vegas back in the early days and kept us entertained with tales of his cheap Mexican surguries, weight loss, alien encounters, et al. That was a particularly interesting weekend because we had some other characters in attendance that weekend as well. One was a movie producer who talked to animals and ran an animal rescue operation. Another was an oscar winning sound man in Hollywood. I believe there might have been a NASA scientist and a nuclear physicist there as well - the lines between the classes blur the father removed from them (time wise) I get. I do recall that that we the weekend Dice Coach's parrot told us to "bet the nine" when we went to the casino. Nine was, in fact, the number of the weekend. Unfortunately, the bird could not forecast his own demise. About a week after that class he flew into a refrigerator door and broke his neck. The bird's ashes lie in state at Dice Coach's craps pit to this day.

Anyway, wwwww loved to run his strategies on a computer testing program that used one of those large books of (40,000 or so) rolls. Then he'd take the best plays to the casino and run them - sometimes betting $1000's of dollars on the next hand to win $10. He was also a master when it came to winning those casino prize drawings. He'd work the system for everything it was worth, gaining additional entries in the drawings by playing bonus point days, etc. There were times when they were having hourly drawings that he's win two or three times in a day. There's more than one way to beat the casino.

[DarthNater]

That was my first CrapsFest, what a fantastic weekend and a true mythical assemblage of interesting characters, D.N8r

[bryfromtheharbor]

I was down in Biloxi last weekend for to visit my wife's grandmother. I would have loved to dust this play off, but my table awareness isn't there like it was a few years ago. I reread my post about playing the W7. That was fun I'm glad it popped up in my notifications.

Oh a trip report is in order.

[DarthNater]

Bry,
Nice to see you back in the mix; the dust sheds quickly, good luck, N8

[heavy]

Good grief! It's been a solid year since I've BUMPED a post by our late pal wwwww - aka wolfbyte - who loved nothing better than crunching a few million rolls against one of his many books of decisions, then taking his results to the casino and testing it out while racking up points and drum entries for toasters, TV's, juicers, and microwave ovens. You new guys should dive in. You won't understand half of it. That's okay. Just know that wwwww was a system man to the core.

[DarthNater]

Nice, we need some Wolfbyte - just in time for Game of Thrones wolfpack

[DarthNater]

Nice, we need some Wolfbyte - just in time for some Game of Thrones wolfpack action

[Tgold]

Hi Heavy et al --good bump. Wolfbyte is still monitoring our negpro-neural-silver progressions.
He was certainly a unique individual that loved craps and testing craps strategies/was always glad to share his latest discovery.

This above 4/10 Ol Hank Blend actually has some merit and is a good read. In all likelihood this 4/10 OlHank system was much more efficient then some of his others. I recall he once proudly showed us his latest greatest system for $1--$500 online casinos---I think it was a Fibo-neural-silvThorne-84 stage negpro (that was guaranteed to backtest/sidestep all 7s) that he would run home on his lunch break and extract $50 dollars from some offshore online cas.


All the best,
Tgold

[heavy]

Prepare yourselves for a WILD ride, boys and girls. Yes, it's the revival of WWWWW's post on Hank's DP 4/10 and his 4/10 DP System glued into the Neural System. If you don't know what any of that means - well, you've got some catching up to do. WWWWW (who has since cashed his chips in and moved on to that great system house in the sky) was an avid system player who was in love with strategies like the Star System, the Neural, and a couple of other systems sold by Silverthorne, which for the most part were slow martingale strategies based on Fibonacci progressions, occasionally tied to what he called a three capping strategy. Still confused. Welcome to the club. Just sit back and enjoy the ride.

[DarthNater]

Was working on seminar prep and came across this classic !!

It’s been bumped before and this won’t be the last, RIP WW

DN8R

[skasower]

Indeed Dr. Wolfbyte remains the master of the numbers. This is the second time I have run through this thread and my head is still spinning. They threw away the mold after WB left the room. RIP In fact there are some great persons who weighed in on this thread. Immortals all.

[rhythm roller]

Always enjoy this thread even though I only understand about half of it! Good read. Thanks to those that decoded Wofbytes systems.

Wonder how Wolfbytes systems would have been massaged to include the new Craps table "Feature Bets"? That would have been fun and enlightening!

[Tgold]

Wolfbyte (W7) was an avid craps researcher, and frequent almost daily player. He not only tried to advance the game for himself but freely offered thoughts to help others too, RIP.

The last couple days Ive been snowed in and unable to travel/play.
I have thoroughly enjoyed reading older threads such as this one as well as (Classic Articles from Heavy's Archives) subforum the last few days as well as the past several weeks. That was a good idea Heavy to create an archive for the classic articles. Many I had either skipped or needed a refresher(I really liked the Self-Diagnostics while shooting essays.
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Back to Wolfbyte and this thread re: playihg the Dont and Lay410

The recent snow reminded me of a side story years ago by Wolfbyte. As many of the forum veterans will recall Wolfbyte frequently posted his latest research with a combined trip report(+ a side story). He would typically insert a totally unrelated side story about his reincarnation or a previous life as a wombat or other. Maybe a story about his neuro-telekinesis-slider type attributes,...etc. One of his side stories I thought (until the end) that it was a recent trip to the ski slopes. When actually near the end he mentions he died (or caused someone else to die as I cant recall) from a ski accident in a previous life, ...etc, and on and on. His goal now was to amend for previous misdeeds ,...etc.

Back to Wolfbyte and this thread re: playing the Dont and Lay410.
When reading Wolfbyte archives its generally best to start at his latest post and work backwards(He was constantly researching and tweaking his method so the latest was his newest(and best) according to him,lol. It seems Sharkbyte finally sifted through/made sense of his latter approaches(See page 2 of this thread). One can also see the gist of his Lay 4/10 and negative progression on (pg 1,2) of this thread within his Q/A with Sharkbyte(No relation to Wolfbyte or so I think),LOL.

Is Sharkbyte still around?

Does anyone else use Wolfbytes approaches or triggers to commence(or stop) wagering???

Example:

A) One of his triggers was when he lost a couple Lays on 4 or 10, he would then wait for two consecutive winners of : 47 and or 107 as he called them a capping of the L streak. Though I agree with having a Stop Trigger on a losing streak prior to recommencing the Lay neg progression. I think one could wait a very long time for this "capping" event to occur if the Capping MUST be precisely a (4,7) and or a (10,7) dice outcomes.

Am I interpreting this incorrectly? Would say a (4-5-8-7) or say a (10-5-8-7) string also be a trigger to recommence(i.e., Capping of Ls) or MUST it be the former???

Thx

[heavy]

It was always my understanding that it was based on three consecutive right way decisions followed by a Seven Out decision. This is purely a due number calculation based on the likelihood of multiple shooters having Pass hands back to back, as I recall. Mad Professor's Short Leash Don't strategy is based somewhat on similar numbers, although his calls for (as I recall) a five step grand martingale on the Don't Pass on a shooter, based on the fact that the likelihood that a shooter has a less than one percent chance of tossing five consecutive points in a hand. The fly in the ointment on MP's play is the Come Out seven when you're playing the DP. WWWWW's play addresses that with the Lay on the Four or Ten, if I'm remembering correctly, but it's been a looooong time since I've reviewed the play. And you really have to be familiar with the neural, the whole three or four capping concept, etc. to get it right - which means reading ALL of WWWWW's posts and studying the evolution of the strategy. I'm not sure you'd grasp it all then, as he was, as you noted, want to take those strolls down mystic paths from time to time that would get you side tracked with highway lights winking out and him winning every drawing at the casino over a 12 hour stretch and taking home six televisions, four microwaves, and two vacations in the Bahamas. All of which he'd sell to pay for another trip to Mexico for more weight loss and eye surgery by some quack doctors.