Saw a gentleman at Cherokee recently called "The Professor" jotting down each roll in a small notebook. He seemed to use this information to make bets. Was wondering if anyone else has done this or has seen someone do this at the table. Do you think this can help in betting...
Thanks in advance for any responses / advice.
Carl M.
Keeping track of rolls with paper and pencil
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Re: Keeping track of rolls with paper and pencil
I tried it for a brief period, but found it to be too distracting both in terms of logging everything as well as the focus required to try and discern trends and patterns in all of that minutiae.
Re: Keeping track of rolls with paper and pencil
Thank you 220Inside.
Re: Keeping track of rolls with paper and pencil
I used to chart tables all the time back in the day. Now I do it in my head. You can also do it with chips in your chip rack. Just take six white chips and lay them flat in the back rack. From left to right they represent the 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10. When a number rolls, tip the appropriate chip forward. If it repeats, place another white chip on top of it. If another number rolls, do the same thing. Continue to do this throughout the hand. Obviously we're tracking point numbers only, not horn numbers or sevens. When you get five white chips piled up on a number substitute a red chip for the five white ones and continue stacking white chips on to of it (you'd better have about a hundred bucks or more on that point at that time or your inner Heavy will be pissed off at you). Tracking this way shows you graphically which numbers are hot on that shooter and which are not. If you're spreading 66 inside and only the 4, 6, and 9 are rolling, might as well take that $18 off the 8 and spread it around on the numbers that are rolling. The 8 isn't paying its rent - so it gets evicted.
"Get in, get up, and get gone."
- Heavy
- Heavy
Re: Keeping track of rolls with paper and pencil
I have several friends that track and i find it intresting what it shows in some sessions and im always asking them about something that happened earlier or if one number is rolling way out of expected percentage. Im with 220 though i cant focus on the game if i try to do it myself. Tables with ATS can help see what has been rolled.
"if it was easy anyone could do it"
Re: Keeping track of rolls with paper and pencil
Good comments everyone.
Personally, I find it extremely helpful to track info.
I track several streams of info. IMO it helps to see "Change" just a little quicker (vs Not tracking or recording any data at all).
Ones memory can play tricks on us. Especially in the longer multi-hour sessions. Typically one remembers the most recent outcomes more vividly and that may or may not be accurate with the overall sessions results.
I find it interesting when a new player buys in and asks(how is the table?). Of course, the responses are often based on how that particular responding players' bets have been doing. Often stated in terms of hot or cold as a function of the responding player betting on the Dont or the Do side Line Bets.
I think many will agree the line bets(DP vs Pl) Wins Vs Loss record may not correlate with the actual overall results. For example: The PL not coming back yet the shooter just hit 8-12 box#s on a 13-15 roll hand,...etc. So a PL only player may think/perceive the table is negative,..etc. Obviously the same could be said about the DP(e.g., Dp is losing more events than winning although the shooters are only tossing 3-5 roll hands, but clipping the DPer with co 7/11s,...etc)..
There are many other events occurring at the same time that may or may not be correlated with the main events(or even noted unless one is recording data in some organized manner).
I use a similar method to what Heavy mentions above. Plus memorize some data. Plus I keep a running count left-to-right in my rack. For example: White chip for a PL winner and a red chip for a DP winner. Green chip for boxcars on the comeout. Same method for any of the DCs vs Comes, et al events..etc.
One can also turn a chip edge mark to the 2 o'clock or 3 o clk position to indicate a 2 or 3 occurred on comeout. Similar for a Yo with a white chip as one can rotate the white chip to the 1 o cl, position, ,..etc. Of course some chips may not have edge markings though most do.
I also memorize/record data as ( 01001011 ,...etc), as I will step back from the table every 18-21 events and make notes on a small notebook. I also find it helpful to profile certain shooters /what they are tossing. Sometimes I see shooters with a hugely favorable bias on a certain event or number wager and they never make a single bet on it.
For me its more about what is changing / changing most recently vs the total results for the whole session.
Bottomline: There is always a bias occurring in any given session. Tracking helps see that bias(or change) just a little sooner(at least for me). Plus I find it helpful to track my wager(s) and wager sizes. Also note which bets are showing the highest ROI,...etc.
I encourage everyone one to record data and especially their bets(& return). It can also help one see leaks from their buyin(e.g., Vigs, tips, High H.E. bets,..etc).
Keep on winning, tg
Personally, I find it extremely helpful to track info.
I track several streams of info. IMO it helps to see "Change" just a little quicker (vs Not tracking or recording any data at all).
Ones memory can play tricks on us. Especially in the longer multi-hour sessions. Typically one remembers the most recent outcomes more vividly and that may or may not be accurate with the overall sessions results.
I find it interesting when a new player buys in and asks(how is the table?). Of course, the responses are often based on how that particular responding players' bets have been doing. Often stated in terms of hot or cold as a function of the responding player betting on the Dont or the Do side Line Bets.
I think many will agree the line bets(DP vs Pl) Wins Vs Loss record may not correlate with the actual overall results. For example: The PL not coming back yet the shooter just hit 8-12 box#s on a 13-15 roll hand,...etc. So a PL only player may think/perceive the table is negative,..etc. Obviously the same could be said about the DP(e.g., Dp is losing more events than winning although the shooters are only tossing 3-5 roll hands, but clipping the DPer with co 7/11s,...etc)..
There are many other events occurring at the same time that may or may not be correlated with the main events(or even noted unless one is recording data in some organized manner).
I use a similar method to what Heavy mentions above. Plus memorize some data. Plus I keep a running count left-to-right in my rack. For example: White chip for a PL winner and a red chip for a DP winner. Green chip for boxcars on the comeout. Same method for any of the DCs vs Comes, et al events..etc.
One can also turn a chip edge mark to the 2 o'clock or 3 o clk position to indicate a 2 or 3 occurred on comeout. Similar for a Yo with a white chip as one can rotate the white chip to the 1 o cl, position, ,..etc. Of course some chips may not have edge markings though most do.
I also memorize/record data as ( 01001011 ,...etc), as I will step back from the table every 18-21 events and make notes on a small notebook. I also find it helpful to profile certain shooters /what they are tossing. Sometimes I see shooters with a hugely favorable bias on a certain event or number wager and they never make a single bet on it.
For me its more about what is changing / changing most recently vs the total results for the whole session.
Bottomline: There is always a bias occurring in any given session. Tracking helps see that bias(or change) just a little sooner(at least for me). Plus I find it helpful to track my wager(s) and wager sizes. Also note which bets are showing the highest ROI,...etc.
I encourage everyone one to record data and especially their bets(& return). It can also help one see leaks from their buyin(e.g., Vigs, tips, High H.E. bets,..etc).
Keep on winning, tg
All the best,
Tgold
Tgold