Betting Strategy for the 5/6 6/5 Dice Set?

[CrapsForever]

I utilize the 5/6 6/5 Dice Set for my Comeout tosses. It is my most consistent set that produces lots of 11,3,2,12 and 7's. I usually bet $10 Pass Line, with a World Bet and a $1 Ace/Deuce due to my proclivity to throw lots of 3's.

I woke up this morning thinking of an Article the Mad Professor wrote recently regarding utilizing your best set all the time and betting appropriately with it regardless if it's your "Come-Out Dice Set" or your "Point Cycle Dice Set".

I am here trying to map out a betting strategy that would aid me in my most consistent Dice Set. The 5/6 6/5 Set does wonders for me on the Comeout roll but can be very disastrous during the "On" Cycle of the game because I throw lots of 7's with this Set and I play the Pass Line 99% of the time when shooting.

I'm seriously thinking of changing my Craps personality completely when I am shooting the Dice and utilize what's most successful for me in the long run. The 10 years of success playing the Pass Line when shooting is OVER...the past 2 years have proven time and time again that If I played the Don't Pass (when shooting) and had similar tosses; I'd be making a Killing!

My current thought process is betting the Don't Pass for $25...Laying every single place number on the Comeout roll ($40 4 & 10, $30 5 & 9 and $30 6&8) = $240 Lay including a few extra dollars for the Vig. Adding a $10 World with a $2 Yo on my comeout toss.

I pulled out my Craps rig (bouncy) this morning and these were my results shooting from SL1.5:

Hand #1: 11,3,11,2,7,7,7,6,7.
Hand #2: 11,2,11,2,3,11,8,6,6,9,H4,H4,11,7
Hand #3: 2,2,3,4,2,H6,11,H10,9,10,9,10,7
Hand #4: H8,8
Hand #5: 6,7

The interesting thing is these toss #'s are similar to what I throw in real Casino settings. It usually takes me about 4 - 5 tosses of 7's and Horns before I establish a number utilizing the 5/6 6/5 Dice Set. I used to take the Pass Line win and be satisfied but If I lay all the Place Numbers like I described above...working on the Comeout roll...7's would make me a lot of money.

So the question is what do I do after the Point is established if I want to continue utilizing the Dice Set (5/6 6/5)...

1) Should I continue laying all Place #'s and betting a $5 - $10 Horn every roll?
2) Should I simply pull down the rest of the Lay Place Bets and increase the odds on the Don't Pass Bet
and keep using the 5/6 6/5 Dice Set and hope I 7-out before making the Point?
3) Horn Strategy
4) Any other options

Does anyone utilize the 5/6 6/5 Dice Set as part of their "On" cycle Dice Set. Any advice that you can provide will be greatly appreciated as a betting strategy to appropriately utilize my most proficient Dice Set.

[memo]

Interesting stuff, CF...

Have you ever done a book of 720 rolls in Bone Tracker with that set....
I would really like to see the results

Memo

[CrapsForever]

Memo,

I am going to work on that right now and will update the results. I only have Red Dice so it takes a LONG time to accurately put into Bonetracker the specific results of each Die. I'm going to order another color Dice Stick to make it easier and faster to track.

Bonetracker is currently showing 44% of total rolls being Horns utilizing the 5/6 6/5 Dice Set compared to 17% normal probability!!!

I see why I've received over $500 in tips by people betting the Horns on my tosses. It's only 40 tosses (36 in Bonetracker) so far this morning; I will continue to update the results in my original post on this thread.

One day I will see the trees for the forest...Should I not simply focus on betting the Horns???

The better question is what Horn strategy should I be utilizing with this Dice Set?

[memo]

I am going to work on that right now and will update the results. I only have Red Dice so it takes a LONG time to accurately put into Bonetracker the specific results of each Die. I'm going to order another color Dice Stick to make it easier and faster to track.

Use a felt marker or sharpie to draw a line, circumscribing one of your dice to tell left from right...Some say it is better than using different colors...But until you get a new stick, it works.

Forge on with BT...You are on track

Memo

[heavy]

Well, your list of rolls pretty much explains why I use that set on the come-out combined with a World and a High-Low bet. It consistently puts money in my rack. If you like a configuration with the two and twelve involved then I'd switch to the crossed sixes after the point is established. Just my thinking . . .

[CrapsForever]

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[CrapsForever]

Use a felt marker or sharpie to draw a line, circumscribing one of your dice to tell left from right...Some say it is better than using different colors...But until you get a new stick, it works.

Forge on with BT...You are on track

Memo, thanks for the tip!

I was using a hi-lighter to mark the right Die...I now changed to a permanent marker and it's much easier to track. My next 32 rolls were not as horn friendly as I would have expected - only 4 Horns in 32 rolls. Overall after 72 rolls in bonetracker utilizing the 5/6 6/5 Dice Set...my Horns are at 29% compared to a normal probability of 17%. My SRR went from 6.0 to 7.2.

I will continue shooting and tracking later; I'm getting fatigued which could definitely skew results one way or another.

[pappyvanwinkle]

Based on the rolls you posted, I'd say you might consider the following play.

Stick to your 6/5 5/6 set for the come out, keep your pass and world action the same, but, lay across for $188/$180 or whatever your comfortable with. At most your going to lose one bet, which could be $40 or $30 depending on your lay. If you roll a horn, it doesn't hurt you, and if you set a point, take the lay bets down and take odds, and maybe a place bet or two, but then I would say to switch sets. Maybe to what Heavy suggested.

It kinda depends on your dice stats, from the small amount of data, it would appear you probably have a high percentage of primary face and single pitch hits and a low percentage of double pitches. Do you recall what your 7's you roll? Are they 3 + 4, 2 + 5, or 6 - 1's?

Since you mentioned you previously used to use the 2V or 3V you might consider one of those for your point cycle or a mutant variety.

Oh, on the come out, do you press your world bet at all if it hits?

Just a suggestion

Pappy

[CrapsForever]

PVW,

I really like your strategy ideas. Laying all #'s on the Comeout, then proceeding with the World Bet. I usually start with a $5 World and increase by $5 each hit.

Most of my 7-outs in BoneTracker utilizing the 5/6 6/5 Dice Set are of the 5/2 Variety.

Most of my 7-outs in BoneTracker utilizing the 2V - 2/3 2/1 Dice Set are of the 4/3 Variety

In actual Casino settings; most of my 7-outs are of the 6/1 Variety utilizing both Dice Sets

Based on the limited 72 Roll data in Bonetracker utilizing the 5/6 6/5 Set

SRR = 7.2
BSR = 4.1
Both Die on Axis = 58.33%
Primary Face = 19.44%
Single Pitch = 27.78%
Double Pitch = 11.11%
One Die Off Axis = 33.33%
Both Die Off Axis = 8.33%


Based on the limited 72 Roll Data in Bonetracker utilizing the 2V (2/3 2/1) Dice Set

SRR = 6.55
BSR = 4.36
BDOA = 47.22%
PFH = 13.89%
SPH = 22.22%
DPH = 11.11%
ODOA = 41.67%
BDOA = 11.11%

[Golfer]

With that set you might play with a Field Harvest strategy as well.

Also, when they are popping more than normal I would suggest getting warm and fuzzy with a hop bet on the red.

Turbocharge session winnings with props..........when they are showing. If they fail you after 2-3 hands give them up for that session.

Good Luck,

Golfer


PS: H's play of adding the hi-low is a real money maker when they start popping.

[Blackcloud]

UNHH!!That is what BC uses for a come out-$10 pass and $5 horn-hi-3 which makes all the craps #s pay equal-and with the YO you get a middle-both sides win and stay up UNHH!!Since BC no good at making points, him then switch to one of the X 6 sets an min bet the field

[Agame]

Blackcloud,
Would you please explain the UNHH in more detail?
I heard about it years ago but never memorized the whole thing.

Or anyone that knows how it's supposed to be done, I'd appreciate it.

The goal is to press your bets to a 1K payout in 4 throws, right?

[wudged]

Blackcloud,
Would you please explain the UNHH in more detail?

[wild child]

You may see just as consistent results by "setting" in the "RAPID SET" or "QUICK SET" maneuver.

Simply stated the in the side by side configuration,the dice make contact both touching the 3 's
or contact surfaces of both die the 4...The "Kissing-FACES" of both dice make contact at the 3's or 4's.

Without further " setting", fidgeting " ,"twisting","turning " or re-alining you may see similar results with a QUICK SET / RAPID SET and keep a smooth flow at casino craps table side..........

With each die touching the other die so both connect at the #4 to #4 surface
( #3 & #3 face out board on the Left & Right sides)


The TOP FACE is 5/6

The FRONT FACE is 6/5

The down face is 2/1

The vertical face toward the back wall is 1/2

Should you RAPID SET with the #3 making contact with the other #3 ( KISSEE FACE )your faces are

TOP FACE 6/5....Front Face 5/6...To the back wall face 2/1......Down Face 1/2
( #4 on each out face end)

alternately

This will also give you the
1/6 or 6/1 SEVEN and 5/2 Cinco Dose or 2/5 dose y cinco

THE MIDNIGHT
STRAIGHT SIX or
......
......
RAIL ROAD TRACKS

5/2 and 2/5 ...........#1/#1 .......... 5/1 and 1/5 six

Any result showing either a #3 or #4 indicates a die ( OR DICE) going askew

W C

[Agame]

Ok, I thought "UNHH" referred to a progression I read a long time ago while perusing the PARR stuff.
But after reading a bunch of posts and seeing that same word after or before each sentence and hearing the song, I've learned that "UNHH" is just a sort of personal signature .

That particular betting progression involves the horn numbers. You start with $10 or less and cover the Any Seven, Any Craps and the Yo. I don't know exactly for how much each. You press after each hit on either of those and collect $1000 after a few rolls.

The distribution of dollars per bet, as well as the payouts and the pressing routine is what I can't remember and need help with.

Other than that, I'd love to try a different set and bet the horn at my next trip and report the outcome, good or bad. I'd set apart a tiny, little, itty bitty portion of my modest bankroll for that.