$300/day

[IronCross]

My father and I started doing the following last night with pretty good results. Too soon so say how effective
it is in the long term but:

Come out roll: Stacked sixes
Don't pass: $10

Once point is established, immediately set for the 7 set. Run a fibo sequence on the field each toss starting
with $5 as the first bet (assuming a $5 table). The Don't Pass and Field can however be scaled to whatever
you want.

We also run a fibo sequence on the Don't Pass, so we're playing 2 independent games at once. It's really
not that hard to keep track of. At least so far, it worked really well and easily made $100 playing nickels.

I am not generally a fan of the field bet, but at least with us throwing, it seems to do well in this way. I'd definitely
still do a fibo don't pass against randies. Still debating on the field bet though.

[Americraps]

How about Daves System for $300 a day?
$10 DP, continuous DC bets with $60 lay on the 6 &8, $75 lay on the 5 &9. 0 Lay on the 4 &10. If you lose two lay bets on a shooter, pull the rest of your lay odds down, and stop betting on that shooter, leaving the $10 flat DCs up. Wait for shooter to 7 out. Repeat till you are a $300 winner. If you lose $2000, borrow 5 thousand more and double the units. If you lose that borrow $10 thousand more from the guy that was dumb enough to lend you $5K. Stop playing and don't pay it back. You are now ahead $7500.

[Golfer]

Dave did well and got himself a big Lexus from the Don'ts. Not a bad play at all.


Golfer

[Iceman95]

Stick to your rules and set limits. I'm sure it can be done.

[Americraps]

Well, I've been playing Daves system for 3 days now and made my win goal of $200 all three days, rather quickly. Some of it was me, but most of it was the Randies. Discipline is key. Last night I played and quickly reached the win goal, but didn't get enough shooting in and I went down on my two rightside hands, so had to stick it out for another hour and two wrongside hands to get it back. I could have left a lot earlier had I stuck to my win goal.

[heavy]

What unit size are you playing Dave's System with?

[Americraps]

Hi H,
$5 DP/DC $60 lay on 6 &8, $75 lay on 5 &9, 0 lay on 4 and 10. Can I borrow $10K? Kidding. So far, it's been really easy to win, the true test comes when I go through the 1K buy in and then the second one. Then I will have to pucker up and double the unit values, and buy in for more. Ooh, I puckered a little just thinking about it.
Upon consideration I've realized Daves System is actually a very mild negative progression.

[wild child]

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from my experience :

THE SECOND and THIRD COME OUT ROLL frequently draws a DARK SIDE BET or TWO even THREE from me.

Also I tend to TRANSITION to DARK SIDE WAGERS when a shooter demonstrates A CASUAL CHANGE from his demonstrated numbers thrown........By "CASUAL CHANGE" , I include the untoward showing of "HORN NUMBERS" tossed by a shooter who tosses few #'s 2 , 3 ,Yo. or TWELVE......

My criteria is empirical ( from observation) and in no way science based....Frequently my D/C is rewarded by a # 2 or #3 which delivers BONUS BUCKS or should a BOX NUMBER be tossed MY BETS HAVE A HIGH % OF REWARD TO THE SEVEN BEING TOSSED PRIOR TO THAT BOX NUMBER BEING REPEATED..................

I rarely wager the Don't Pass or Don't Come on a first Come Out ROLL .
MY PLAY IS AT GREEN & BLACK CHIP LEVEL with a BUY IN OF $1,995.00

My TARGET is $1,200 WIN per CRAPS TABLE WAGERING SESSION and a tolerance of a $900 DRAW DOWN.

Rarely play weekends,special events days or holidays.

A TYPICAL CASINO DAY consists of THREE (3) SESSIONS with a recess between sessions
The TYPICAL 7 hour CASINO DAY consists of a maximum of three 45-60 minuet sessions or less when targets are realized early

The above game plan may also work with a $300/CASINO DAY GAME PLAN

JUST ME SAYING

Wild Child

[heavy]

AC - so you're doing the pretty much the full monte Dave's play. That's cool. Personally, I'd probably grow my bets up to that level as I won - starting with $30 lay bets and working my way up to $60 plus. But it sounds like it's working out pretty well for you. Keep us posted.

[Mad Professor]

WildChild,

Why the $1,995 buy-in? Is $2000 not an easier amount that avoids having the dealers shoot sideways, "Is-this-guy-a-stroker?" glances your way right from the outset?

MP

[Knick111]

greeetings heavy. heavy, if you know somebody that can shoot the eleven, let me know his name-so i can go see his yacht. JAIME. .

[heavy]

Ain't it the truth.

[sharkbyte]

Not sure why you need to go to 3 casinos/day. I think $300 and gone would fly under most casinos radar, regardless. And then you can go more than 3 months without repeating a casino.

Okay, while I do not have enough testing to absolutely stand by this, things look promising so far, and I'm beginning to plan my next trip to the casino.

I actually have 2 different strategies that I believe will work. How long it takes to get your $300 win would depend on your unit value.

This first is producing 5.5 units per hour. It is an 8-step Fibonacci sequence, requiring 54 units to fund a sequence to completion. So you could start with a $300 bankroll. There is still a lot of testing to go, but after 15 hours it has not made it past step 7.
---- Wait for a shooter to have a PL decision. Then bet DP for the next decision. Win or Lose only 1 decision per shooter that gets that first PL decision.

The second is producint 12 units/hour. This is a 9-step Fibonacci, requiring 88 units to fund. So your starting bankroll is closer to $500. Still only 15 hours of testing, but have not made it past step 8.
---- DP on the first 2 PL decisions per shooter. Barred (12 or 2) does not count as decision.

Both use the same Fibo sequence: 1-1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34-55-89...

Either strategy could easily have the Fibo steps increased from early wins, to better guard against sequence losses.

Comments?

[Ahigh]

If you go to the right casinos, $3000/day is not a problem. You just want to be in the noise level. I hit multiple casinos sometimes, but the reason I usually leave a casino isn't because I'm winning too much money it's because I want a change of scenery.

[IronCross]

@sharkbyte, let us know how your next visit to the casino turns out.

@everyone else, I think some days you're naturally going to do better than others. Every so often, leaving
with $300 profit at a given casino may be the right call and that much money likely is under the radar for
most places, but I would cry if I put a significant time and effort learning DI to be backed off of somewhere
and possibly be affected at multiple locations as a result of it.

I know DI is not even looked upon the same as blackjack, but once you're 86'd in the wrong place, you're screwed.
I'd be more than happy to take modest returns at multiple locations to ensure safety. Call me paranoid.

[soxfan]

If yer lookin to capture 300$ per day then why not use the mad prof's short leash, don't pass style? With a 10$ base bet, it should be a snap, hey hey!

[wild child]

The M P.
My preference is to buy in for under the $2K in house "BLINKING LIGHTS" buy in threshold many joints in my region set as S.O.P. internal alert. This allows for a draw down variance.
( Many times I enter a game with "pocket change chips" and only BUY IN with currency later if needed)

My SESSION target is above $300.
Again , I am most experienced with joints in the region I most play
My experience is to move on and take a break.
This may just be me.......I prefer to not return to the same casino more than once in a *CASINO DAY.

I prefer casino markets with more than one casino.
The market in which I most play affords several TARGETS OF OPPORTUNITY .
If there were limited choices,I may have a different game plan or only play out of town.

* a casino day" is the maximum amount of Sessions,TIME and $ VALUE I will place my BANK at risk .

Just me saying

W C

[IronCross]

@soxfan, do you have a link to MP's short leash, don't pass style?

[Mad Professor]

Hi IronCross,

Here are my Choppy-Table/Short-Leash articles:

Dodging Bullets as a Darksider…Part 1

Dodging Bullets as a Darksider…Part 2

FAQ’s about the Choppy Table/Short Leash…Part 1

FAQ’s about the Choppy Table/Short Leash…Part 2

FAQ’s about the Choppy Table/Short Leash…Part 3


MP

[IronCross]

Awesome! Thank you MP.