Rolls for testing a betting system.

[Maddog]

Any way you could post some more details about your method? Like maybe a list of bullet points that cover all of the rules and conditions you use?

bobthetree... I try to bite my tounge when it comes to the "W"'s posts... but seriously...

...$300.00 units. ...
...If I stay away from my max. lay-bet of $1,200.00 as a base unit bet,
...this way of betting is generating + $1,500.00 to + $3,000.00 an hour....
... on bus to Indian Casino.....

Even if we divide the units by 10 and make it: $30 units, $120 base laybet,... generates $150 to $300 AN HOUR...

On the BUS?

Can you really take this seriously?

[bobthetree]

Yes, I recognize that the pieces aren't lining up very well. There are a lot of things that don't make sense at all. I'm still intrigued to see if I can get a STRAIGHT answer as to what all the system entails. If nothing else, maybe it could be useful in shooting from the Don'ts? I seriously doubt any set of betting rules / strategies could overcome the negative EV. I am kind of tired of trying to figure out what the hell a Hank's system is and how it blends with some proprietary Lay the 4/10 with a 2-3 step martingale, but more if I feel like it, is the sun still shining kind of strategy. I'm pretty much done asking, and since there isn't going to be an answer that works more than likely, there most likely won't be a post with a true answer. If it does work, I do bet its an over fitting issue with the Zuma book.

[WOLFBYTE]

Yo BOB/TREE,All

All my betting start/stop triggers are listed in the 2nd post on this tread. In the Kindred, ...Electro Magnetic post.

However, what I here you saying is you are not clear on how they all work together ?

Therefore, I am going to post the real recorded rolls out of the Zumma

Craps System Testing Book, page by page.

I am going to start on rolls from page #5 and do a new page every

20 pages or so.

Zumma's page # 5 had 14 real recorded shooters. Zumma does not say were shooter's 61 through

shooter 75 were shooting at?

It had to be recorded at The Four Queens or The Golden Nugget....both in DT VEGAS.

There were 119 rolls thrown in 65 minutes of playing on page # 5.

Shooter # 61 is the first shooter. He goes 7, 5115 so we do not bet

on him because of his opening two PL wins.

Shooter # 62 = 4,10,,,,7.......

We bet +$300....no 10 and we lose it on the second roll ( 10 ) = - $300.00

We then bet +$ 600.00 ...NO 4 & $600.00....NO 10

Shooter 62's complete rol = 41066581257.

When he 7'outs we win +$600.00 ...net. We now have a +$300.0 net profit.

The next play is shooter # 64. He goes ....4 5 7.

Right after the 4 sets-up as the point, we lay-bet the 4 & 10 for +$300.00 each.

When he goes ....7/out we make + $300.00 net profit.

The next 4/10 point is from shooter #67. He throws ....107.

As soon as the point sets-up we lay bet the 4 & 10 for +$300.00 each & we collect +$300.00

off his 7-out.

The next play is on shooter #72. He goes 47. We collect our +$300.00 off our just set-up $300.00 lay bets on the 4 & 10.

The next play is off shooter # 74. He throws ...10 11 11 8 5 7.

We lay bet the 4 & 10 for +$300.0 each as soon as the 10 point sets up.

We win another +$300.00....net when he goes ...7-out !

The last play from page #5 is off the laST SHOOTER # 75.

He throws ... 47....so we win another + $30.00....net.

IN 65 MINUTES OF PLAYTIME WE MADE EXCELLENT PROFITS.!............U Think ?

Thoughts ?

Wolfbyte

[Dylanfreake]

Way to Go , wolfbyte

[wolfbyte#2]

Yo TKS D-Freak.....

Thanks Heavy for your log-in help.

I hate Yahoo ! They kept dropping my log-on codes... ?

Well, here we are at the end of March. I made my last visit to

our local Indian Casino today.

If you played table games for 3 hrs they gave away an ink pen set. It had a

ballpoint pen & ink cart. old-time f. pen....for free !

I took 8 sets home...in fact,,,today I got my 8th set ...#5,000 out of the 5000 they

gave away.

What cool pens ! They write like a good Parker Ink

pen & the box says they are from Paris France......sweet !

April's gift is a cheap looking blanket....so...no April trip planned.

When I got home I tabulated the first 15 pages in Zumma's Craps

System Tester Book using the above 4/10 Point Lay-Betting System with Hank's 4/10 non-pt. LAY

BETTING System ....added.

My Zumma testing in the first 1,935 rolls, in 17.5 Hours of play-time , shows a net profit

of + $ 31,950.00 .!!!!!.

That works out to a + $16.51 profit each time the dice were thrown in the 1,935 rolls.

That adds-up to a + $1,822.00 hourly take ...or...playing 6 hours a day, for a week ... a

+ $50,000 per week net profit ...... sweet !!!.

I am taking the bus to the Harraha's Rio Casino/Hotel next week.

Thoughts ?

Wolfbyte2

[realtime]

Tsk, Tsk Irish,

This is Wolfbyte#2. New persona, new day.........new and improved stories to spin.

[wolfbyte#2]

Irish,All.........

Forget my ever posting on this site. ! !!!!!

I have never asked anyone to take, at face value, what I say....just test for yourself

the methods I post .

It seems the people who visit this board, for the most part, are jaded by their life's experiences?

There are reasons I could not go to Vegas, last week. I am still bleeding in the bottom of

my gut and I am going in for a down-the-gut scoping on Monday.

My sister is returning from Paris, France, with her kids, on Monday and she asked that I 'NOT ' go to

VEGAS UNTIL SHE CONSULTS WITH MY SCOPING Doctor.

If you anally/cranially inverted humans do not agree or like what I post...so be it !

It saves me a lot of time and effect posting what really, really works !

Wolfbyte

[Dylanfreake]

Keep on posting , wolfbyte.

[House of Orange]

Jim; At some point in time would it not be worth saving a whole buch of time and learn to program on WinCraps? Then load roll files from Zumma and you are off to the races! You could share these program files, and we would all be better off. Load our own roll files and see what happens. Just a thought.

[acpa]

I have a roll file of the rolls from 72 Hours at the Crap Table, but I've never seen a roll file from Zuma. Do you have one?

Noah

[heavy]

This is Wolfbyte#2. New persona, new day.........new and improved stories to spin.

Yeah, apparently WB is having trouble getting his computer to remember his password, so we started all over.

Noah - the 72 hours at the casino book of rolls is the one I was thinking about that has the Don't bias. Just about every system seller in the world has used that book of rolls as the measure of whether or not their (Don't) system can beat the house - and just about any Don't system will with that book. This is just another case of short run - 72 hours - versus long run - 72 years.

[amish dude]

Irish,All.........
VEGAS UNTIL SHE CONSULTS WITH MY SCOPING Doctor.


Wolfbyte

I'm back to the doctor on Tuesday to get my bladder scoped again to see if my cancer came back or not hopefully it will be negative ether way then off to A/c for a 3 day trip WB at least you have some one who cares about you !

[acpa]

Yes, The book 72 hours says it has a slight Don't bias.

I'm not able to find it right now, so don't remember how much it is.

I don't have the Zuma book so don't know what it shows.

Noah

[5squaredeb]

Hi WB,
Please continue your posts, many here enjoy them!

Just a little background for Amish Dude (middle finger) - WB mentioned recently that he had a stroke, was in the hospital for several weeks and crashed his Prius - perhaps that is why he is no longer driving. Regarding the airline flights - living in California and traveling frequently, 16 hours may seem like a joy compared to some of the waits I've faced, standing for hours.

--Deb

[heavy]

The Zumma system testing software is available for $99 or so at this website:

http://www.zumma.com/gambling/books/gacont.htm

Please note that I have no affiliation with that site - nor do I endorse their product. However, WB seems to be a huge fan and the software if fairly well accepted in the industry.

[wolfbyte#2]

Yo All............

Thank you all for your kind thoughts.

I was at our local Ca. Indian Casino today and the BJ table talk turned to what we are most proud of ...in our lives ?

I told them this true story........

As 2004 started, I had 33 years of employment, in local law enforcement, and I was

looking at retirement ?

However, there was a big problem !

I belonged to the largest lump sum of money West of the Mississippi

River...California's Public Employees Retirement System..... AKA ...Ca. ' PERS'.

PERS was extremely flush in cash due to the upward explosion in the Stock Market.

So much so that they offered, free of charge, a 5 year add-on to its members years of service !!!! ...sweet !!!

Yep ! I thought it was my ticket to retirement.......NOT !

Our Union would not go for it !!!! It was not their idea & they were not going to help

the Kings County workers because it was ' NOT ' their idea .............stupid egos !!!

The Union gave a lame excuse for not taking the ' free ' 5 year add-on.

It made me boiling mad !!!! So much so... that I went to the Commissioner with a plan.

I would go to each County Office, with clipboards in my hands, and get the employees to sign a

petition in support of the PERS freebie.

With my bosses blessing, I did just that ...... I even went to the County road yard,

after work, until 7 PM, and I stood in the yard and waited for the Counties dump trucks to come

home so the truck driver's could sign the petitions.

I then made five folders with copies of everything and took them to each County

Supervisors offices and left them with the staffs.

I also made a file for the County CEO and the Union head.

IT WORKED !!!!

The County CEO sent his staff to PERS's Sac. offices and the 1,200 workers in our Kings County had 6,000 years of service

added to their employment files !

The Union asked me to take charge of their 5 County Summer Union picnics. I told them ..... Why ? ......

I am retiring!

I did just that !

The above is a true story. I am still awed that I got to help 1,200 workers.

Thoughts ?

Wolfbyte.

[Michael]

Great job Wolfbyte.Wish I had worked with you.I had to take my 25 years in law enforcement day for day.An extra 5 years would have made a big difference.Need more like you.

[realtime]

Way to go Wolfbyte......you really "stuck it to the MAN".

Now, who is going to pay for all that gravy for the public sector unions?

Is that all public service employees think about......how to weasel more $$$ out of the taxpayers?

No wonder California is BANKRUPT.

You should be ashamed of yourself instead of holding that to be the most honorable action in your life!!

[wolfbyte#2]

Realtime.

The money to pay for this one-time bump-up of 6,000 years of added service credit

came from Stock Markety profits to PERS.

Ca. Public Employees Retirement System has Billions of $$$$ at their investment

options.

Wolfbyte

[wolfbyte#2]

Yo.....

I am booked on Harraha's new Brazilian 99 seat, Republic Airlines jet ....on the 20thof this Month to

Laughlin from Fresno Ca.

I am taking 5-figure cash to exploit the 4/10 & Hank's Systems.

In back testing & real Casino play...I am awed by how well

these two systems work together.

It is the built-in 66.66% player bias to win the 4 or 10 lay- bets when the 4 or 10 manifests

and use of the 3-step neg progression to overcome ALL losses in 94,000 real

recorded, back-tested rolls from C. Palace to Lake Tahoe,

that is stunning. !!!!!!

Thoughts ?

Wolfbyte#2