Heat Seeker
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Heat Seeker
Hi!
I have seen quite a few references on this forum for this betting method.
I did a "search" but still didn't come up with how this is done. Maybe I just missed it!
Would someone please direct me to the nuts and bolts of this if it already exists here somewhere or can anyone fill me in on how the "Heat Seeker" works? Also, do any of you use it and what basically are your results with it?
Thanks!
I have seen quite a few references on this forum for this betting method.
I did a "search" but still didn't come up with how this is done. Maybe I just missed it!
Would someone please direct me to the nuts and bolts of this if it already exists here somewhere or can anyone fill me in on how the "Heat Seeker" works? Also, do any of you use it and what basically are your results with it?
Thanks!
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Re: Heat Seeker
I am sure Heavy will not mind me posting it. If he does, I will not buy his lunch or the fried pies. sia
Heavy's Heat Seeking Strategy
The last round of trip reports has stimulated a lot of interest in my Heat Seeking Craps Strategy. As a result, I’ve decided post a thumbnail version of the strategy here on the forum. The complete strategy is in Heavy's Play Book - available here on the site.
Following the Trend: What are your chances of winning at the craps table in a fair game? Even if you are a perfect player with rock-ribbed discipline and played the most conservative of bets, you still have to buck the minimum house edge of 1.41%. But even if there were no house edge your chances in a random game would be no better than 50/50.
The only way to really win at any random game is to take advantage of the trend. Trends are streaks or identifiable patterns. In craps the tables will be trending toward hot or cold perhaps thirty percent of the time. They may actually be hot or cold for another ten percent of the time. The other sixty percent of the time the trend may be choppy with decisions hopping back and forth, both ways. The key to winning is protecting your bankroll during those choppy times, while positioning yourself to take advantage of the next trend.
There are two philosophies regarding betting and trends. The first school of thought says buck the trend. In other words, always bet opposite of the last decision. This might not be a bad move on a choppy table. The second school of thought says follow the trend. When seeking out a hot shooter this is the correct way to play. Let the dice lead the way - and you follow.
The most conservative of betting strategies rely strictly on flat betting either the Pass or Don’t Pass, and the Come or Don’t Come. Many players utilize these bets to follow the trend, betting the same way as the last decision of the dice - or in some instances betting the decision before the last decision. Often times they will play a progression strategy such as the Paroli or the Fibonacci. Both are good ways to play. But the player has no choice in the numbers when he plays the Line or Come/Don’t Come bets. He is truly at the mercy of the dice.
Next to flat betting, the most conservative wager on the craps layout is the Place bet on the six or eight. The house edge on these wagers is just one tenth of one percent higher than on the flat bet. However, in this case the player has his choice of two very good numbers.
The problem with place betting is that it immediately places money at risk. A quick point-seven can be devastating to the player’s bankroll. Therefore, the player should chart the tables and look for certain indicators before placing money at risk. And once the player decides to place money in action he should follow the old adage, “Don’t test the depth of the water with both feet.”
Advantages of the Heat Seeking Craps Strategy: The Axis Power Heat Seeking Craps Strategy offers many player advantages. First of all, it positions the player to score a substantial win with very little downside risk. When played properly the player will never have more than three “at-risk” betting units per hand. Since there is little money at risk the minimum bankroll required to play is relatively small - as little as $150 in a $5 game. And unlike systems that require you to count the number of tosses before entering the game, you do not have to stand idly by the table. You do not have to write anything down or perform any complex mathematical calculations in your mind. You simply watch for certain entry keys and play by a specific set of simple rules.
Does this mean you will win at every session? No. Again, at best you have less than a 50/50 chance of winning in a random game. Long, hot rolls are few and far between. However, by playing a safe, conservative strategy you can find the hot shooters and profit from them. The strategy has a built-in money management feature that helps position you for unlimited winnings while minimizing losses.
Hot Shooter Indicators: While charting the tables you will be looking for positive signs that indicate the table trend may be heating up. Here are the primary Hot Shooter Indicators you are looking for:
1. Any inside number - the 5, 6, 8, or 9 - repeats during a shooter’s hand.
2. Multiple hardway numbers roll during a shooter’s hand.
3. The shooter makes his first pass and gets beyond roll three of his second hand.
4. The shooter throws consecutive sevens on the come out roll.
5. The shooter throws consecutive elevens on the come out roll.
6. The shooter places and wins any one-roll proposition or hop bet.
7. The shooter takes the time to carefully pre-set the dice and executes a
gentle consistent controlled toss.
Negative Indicators: Just as there are indicators marking the correct time to enter the game, there are indicators that tell you not to enter the game, or if you are already in the game to place no further action until you see another Positive Indicator. Negative Indicators include:
1. The shooter sevens out without making his Pass.
2. The shooter throws a craps number on his come out roll (unless he had
placed prop action on that particular craps number - in which case this is a
Positive Indicator.)
3. You lose a come bet to a 2, 3, or 12 craps.
4. One of your come bets travels to the 4 or 10.
5. A casino employee cautions the shooter for any reason.
We'll look at the play itself on the continuation of this post.
Heavy's Heat Seeking Strategy
The last round of trip reports has stimulated a lot of interest in my Heat Seeking Craps Strategy. As a result, I’ve decided post a thumbnail version of the strategy here on the forum. The complete strategy is in Heavy's Play Book - available here on the site.
Following the Trend: What are your chances of winning at the craps table in a fair game? Even if you are a perfect player with rock-ribbed discipline and played the most conservative of bets, you still have to buck the minimum house edge of 1.41%. But even if there were no house edge your chances in a random game would be no better than 50/50.
The only way to really win at any random game is to take advantage of the trend. Trends are streaks or identifiable patterns. In craps the tables will be trending toward hot or cold perhaps thirty percent of the time. They may actually be hot or cold for another ten percent of the time. The other sixty percent of the time the trend may be choppy with decisions hopping back and forth, both ways. The key to winning is protecting your bankroll during those choppy times, while positioning yourself to take advantage of the next trend.
There are two philosophies regarding betting and trends. The first school of thought says buck the trend. In other words, always bet opposite of the last decision. This might not be a bad move on a choppy table. The second school of thought says follow the trend. When seeking out a hot shooter this is the correct way to play. Let the dice lead the way - and you follow.
The most conservative of betting strategies rely strictly on flat betting either the Pass or Don’t Pass, and the Come or Don’t Come. Many players utilize these bets to follow the trend, betting the same way as the last decision of the dice - or in some instances betting the decision before the last decision. Often times they will play a progression strategy such as the Paroli or the Fibonacci. Both are good ways to play. But the player has no choice in the numbers when he plays the Line or Come/Don’t Come bets. He is truly at the mercy of the dice.
Next to flat betting, the most conservative wager on the craps layout is the Place bet on the six or eight. The house edge on these wagers is just one tenth of one percent higher than on the flat bet. However, in this case the player has his choice of two very good numbers.
The problem with place betting is that it immediately places money at risk. A quick point-seven can be devastating to the player’s bankroll. Therefore, the player should chart the tables and look for certain indicators before placing money at risk. And once the player decides to place money in action he should follow the old adage, “Don’t test the depth of the water with both feet.”
Advantages of the Heat Seeking Craps Strategy: The Axis Power Heat Seeking Craps Strategy offers many player advantages. First of all, it positions the player to score a substantial win with very little downside risk. When played properly the player will never have more than three “at-risk” betting units per hand. Since there is little money at risk the minimum bankroll required to play is relatively small - as little as $150 in a $5 game. And unlike systems that require you to count the number of tosses before entering the game, you do not have to stand idly by the table. You do not have to write anything down or perform any complex mathematical calculations in your mind. You simply watch for certain entry keys and play by a specific set of simple rules.
Does this mean you will win at every session? No. Again, at best you have less than a 50/50 chance of winning in a random game. Long, hot rolls are few and far between. However, by playing a safe, conservative strategy you can find the hot shooters and profit from them. The strategy has a built-in money management feature that helps position you for unlimited winnings while minimizing losses.
Hot Shooter Indicators: While charting the tables you will be looking for positive signs that indicate the table trend may be heating up. Here are the primary Hot Shooter Indicators you are looking for:
1. Any inside number - the 5, 6, 8, or 9 - repeats during a shooter’s hand.
2. Multiple hardway numbers roll during a shooter’s hand.
3. The shooter makes his first pass and gets beyond roll three of his second hand.
4. The shooter throws consecutive sevens on the come out roll.
5. The shooter throws consecutive elevens on the come out roll.
6. The shooter places and wins any one-roll proposition or hop bet.
7. The shooter takes the time to carefully pre-set the dice and executes a
gentle consistent controlled toss.
Negative Indicators: Just as there are indicators marking the correct time to enter the game, there are indicators that tell you not to enter the game, or if you are already in the game to place no further action until you see another Positive Indicator. Negative Indicators include:
1. The shooter sevens out without making his Pass.
2. The shooter throws a craps number on his come out roll (unless he had
placed prop action on that particular craps number - in which case this is a
Positive Indicator.)
3. You lose a come bet to a 2, 3, or 12 craps.
4. One of your come bets travels to the 4 or 10.
5. A casino employee cautions the shooter for any reason.
We'll look at the play itself on the continuation of this post.
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Re: Heat Seeker
I was in a bad slump.Lost seven of eight sessions.
I tried the heat seeker for two sessions,stuck to it to the letter.
I won both sessions.I did not win much but at that time two wins in a row was what I needed .
I played at a $5 table.It gave me the action I wanted and the losses down.If the table had gotten hot it could be a money maker.You won't get rich but you shouldn't loose much either.Live to play another day.
Thanks Heavy,
I tried the heat seeker for two sessions,stuck to it to the letter.
I won both sessions.I did not win much but at that time two wins in a row was what I needed .
I played at a $5 table.It gave me the action I wanted and the losses down.If the table had gotten hot it could be a money maker.You won't get rich but you shouldn't loose much either.Live to play another day.
Thanks Heavy,
Rock On
M & M
M & M
Re: Heat Seeker
I've tweaked the Heat Seeker a bit through the years, so you may see some subtle differences in some of those plays. I will say that many years ago - I think it was around 2003 - we had a player who came to a seminar Dice Coach and I did - and he had a very limited bankroll - something like $80 per session to buy in with the way we had it worked out. He ended up going home with something like 10X his bankroll when the weekend was over. Yeah, he was in place for some very good hands. But the key was avoiding large losses on those short hands.
NEW RULE: I've been toying with this thought for awhile. I think if you really want to grind out wins you should limit your press moves to no more than 20% of the winning bet. That means you can press a $5 Come bet to $6. A $10 bet can to $12. Always round down, so if the next press would take you to $14.40 - just go to $14, etc. On a long hand the bets will progress nicely.
NEW RULE: I've been toying with this thought for awhile. I think if you really want to grind out wins you should limit your press moves to no more than 20% of the winning bet. That means you can press a $5 Come bet to $6. A $10 bet can to $12. Always round down, so if the next press would take you to $14.40 - just go to $14, etc. On a long hand the bets will progress nicely.
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Re: Heat Seeker
Thanks everyone that responded!
I have a little notebook I keep of different betting strategies so I have this one entered now and when I go to Vegas in a couple of weeks I will take the notebook with me. I review my notebook prior to going to a casino table and decide which strategy I will use for that session and make sure I read through all of the rules to refresh my memory on it.
I have to admit that I just don't like Come Betting but I am trying to get over it as I know the house edge is small on this type of bet. I will definitely give Heat Seeker a try at home to practice and at one of my lone wolf sessions to see how it plays out.
Thanks again!
I have a little notebook I keep of different betting strategies so I have this one entered now and when I go to Vegas in a couple of weeks I will take the notebook with me. I review my notebook prior to going to a casino table and decide which strategy I will use for that session and make sure I read through all of the rules to refresh my memory on it.
I have to admit that I just don't like Come Betting but I am trying to get over it as I know the house edge is small on this type of bet. I will definitely give Heat Seeker a try at home to practice and at one of my lone wolf sessions to see how it plays out.
Thanks again!
"The difference between try and triumph is a little umph."
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Re: Heat Seeker
Is SIA gonna continue or do we used MD's links to the acual play itself?
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Re: Heat Seeker
HO,
I used the links MD provided--they gave all the information on the "how to" of Heat Seeker except Heavy's update on the press moves which is in this thread. Check it out!
I used the links MD provided--they gave all the information on the "how to" of Heat Seeker except Heavy's update on the press moves which is in this thread. Check it out!
"The difference between try and triumph is a little umph."