5 count with the Don't

[Yazworm91]

Hey everyone!! New to the forum! Wanted to get some input from you guys. I always use the 5 count and it has saved me money throughout my time playing craps. I've thought about my next trip depending on table conditions if it gets cold of playing the dont during the 5 count and once past the count placing the 6/8 if its not the point see if I can double dip. Has anyone used this before? I've read the dont with placing the 6/8 but just curious about adding the 5 count to it. And if the table gets hot I can quickly convert to the right side!

[Golfer]

Not a bad way to play. I have seen many variations. An easy one is a DP and then after 5 or more rolls start flat betting comebets.

Good Luck

[Mad Professor]

Hi Yaz,

If you find that the 5-Count saves you money, which I believe that it does; then I think you will find that the 9-Count works better...and the 12-Count works even better than that.

As a money-saver, using ANY-count will save you money when betting on random-rollers. The further out you extend the count before betting on R-R's, the more you will save. Needless to say, in a negative-expectation game, the Infinity-and-Beyond Count works best.

Seriously though, using the 5-Count or any count beyond that on the Darkside will also save you moeny when it comes to random-rollers. I used to use an 8-Count on the D-side when I used to Lay-bet against R-R's back in the day. It worked better than the 7-Count, but not as good as the 9-Count.


MP

[Yazworm91]

I get your point lol. Nothing has ever been said to me by the dealers or box man about how long i go without placing a bet. I toke the dealers often so that helps. I'm just tired of dumping money on these people but at the same time I'm passing up money against them by not playing the dont pass.

[wudged]

You can't look at money-not-won as money-lost, or you'll drive yourself crazy with coulda-shoulda-woulda.

[heavy]

Playing the Doey Don't with a five count is essentially the Patrick System, developed by John Patrick. It's the mirror image of the 5 count on the right side. If I were going to play it I would make five consecutive DP/DC bets and after getting the fifth number established - lay odds on all of them. However, bear in mind that Scoblete's concept of the 5 count for the RIGHT side of the game is to rule out the "bad" shooters and only be up on the good shooters. At the end of the day - both concepts are fundamentally flawed. The odds of the seven showing up on ANY roll is 1 in 6. I know, I know. Every toss of the dice puts you one roll closer to the seven. But the odds of the seven rolling on any toss are still 1 in 6. To believe anything else puts you in the "due number" camp. Now that is a subject for another thread.

[Yazworm91]

Heavy, I'm not trying a doey don't system. Sorry if it came across like that. I'm going to go ahead and place a DP bet on the CO. If its an outside number I will lay 2x odds and then start the 5 count before I make a place bet on the 6/8. I'm going to keep track of throws for all shooters (never done this before).

Now at this point ill have to decide where I go from here. I'm thinking if I place the 6/8 and they both hit once ill take my DP bet down or at least the odds and start pressing from there.

Also I'm not looking at it as money not won. I've dumped a ton of money playing my current way. It's not working, I have watched as the dont continues to pay before I make it to my 5 count. I should be capitalizing on this rather than be sitting on the sidelines.

[Knick111]

Hi yazworm 91,

You can try the following, come out roll--bet one unit on [ don't pass line. ]

When the number is establish, bet one unit on the SIX and one unit on the EIGHT.

When you collect on the 6 or 8--bet one unit on the 9--when you collect again on 6 or 8 or 9, then
bet one unit on the 5.

now you have the inside numbers cover, now stand back and root for a hot roll by the shooter.

That way you are only risking one unit of your buy in- on every shooter.

Yazworm 91, the following is your buy in.

$5 dollar table---40 units. total- $200 dollars.

$10 dollar table--40 units. total-$400 dollars.

$15 dollar table--40 units. total-$600 dollars.

try this system out- and in the long run you will be a winner, by only risking one unit on every shooter.

wishing you lots of luck at your local casino. JAIME.

[heavy]

I'm thinking if I place the 6/8 and they both hit once ill take my DP bet down...

Never take down a Don't bet. You can take down your odds on a Don't if you want to reduce your exposure, but why take down a bet when you have the advantage over the house?

[realtime]

To add to what Heavy said about never taking down a don't bet, which I agree, let me add this. If for some reason you just get so nervous about that don't bet that you can't stand it and you want to take it down place bet the number for the same amount. Say the point is 9 and you have a $5 don't bet. Place the 9 for $5. If the 9 is rolled you win $7 and lose the $5 don't bet for a profit of $2. If the 7 rolls you lose the $5 place bet and win the $5 don't bet to breakeven. Much better than just taking it down.

[Inspector]

Maybe it is just me but I seem to find that when I have a dont (or lay) bet up and I place some numbers, the I loose the don't to a long shot then almost immediately comes a seven out.

[heavy]

Maybe it is just me but I seem to find that when I have a dont (or lay) bet up and I place some numbers, the I loose the don't to a long shot then almost immediately comes a seven out.

Yes, I came up with a term that describes that. It's the Ironic Theory of Craps.

[spiker]

the strategy jaime posted sounds good. worked well for the most part on a couple computer sims i tried. played live in casino last night and lost 200 using 6$ and 5$ units. too many naturals pick you off then followed by pso with no hits eats you away. not quickly but eats you away. the table was super choppy so that might have been why. would probably work better on a warmer table. i see how it could work though. i had 2 oppurtunities for big wins but took my bets down cuz i was down and wanted to fill the rack a little on one occasion. that particular one i had started with a 5$ dp then placed the 4 and 10 for 5 each because they seemed to be coming up more than the 6 and 8 at the time. worked perfect. had them up to 10each. took a couple 2$ for 20$ hits then took them down. then dude rolls 10 10 10 4 somethin somethin 4 then 7 out. other was when i rolled probably combineed ten 5 an 9's in a row when i had 6each on the six and 8. crew was gasping and started calling then on the fly in disbelief. it was still kinda funny even though i wasnt on them. finally hit a couple 6's got the 5 and 9 placed hit it once or twice then 7 out. some tweaks might make it work a little better. those naturals are killers though for sure.

[Knick111]

hi spiker,

on the come out roll-- bet one dollar on any seven, that should stop you from loosing
on the come out.

In the long run this system is a winner.

spiker, tell me what your win % are you looking for on a $5 dollar table.- bank roll should be $2,000.

tell me what your win% are you looking for on a $10dollar table.- bank roll should be $4,000.

tell me what your win % are you looking for on a $15dollar table.- bank roll should be$6,000.

spiker, I am not saying to take $2,000 OR $4,000 OR $6,000 to the casino, Take $600 dollars
with you, that way you can play the $5.00 OR the $10.00 OR the $15.00 dollar table.

luck tonight. JAIME.



Again, good luck at your local casino. JAIME.

[spiker]

did the dollar seven and even a dollar yo once in awhile. still with no hits then a seven it still takes that one unit...unless its a decent roll its still hard to get anything profitable going. with only 2 numbers initially covered, if you dont get one of those hits, which happens a lot, it picks you away slowly. ya you'll come back a little once in a while, but the nit picking eats you away. i'm gonna try it again and maybe with a lil more variation to try and rack more profit rather than hope the guy rolls forever.

my local casino only has one 5 dollar table. so no big BR needed if you are only risking one unit( 5 or 6 dollars) few hundred is fine. 100 dollar loss limit. even last night i stopped after nothing happening and they picked me down 60$ or so. came back after a bit and picked me away some more. took another lil break and the picked me away some more. time to go.................

[spiker]

also...i haven't ever heard of a "system" that is a winner in the long run..NEVER but it has potential to win some while you lose a little IMHO.....if the conditions are correct, of course.

[Iceman95]

This system sounds good. I m going to try it. The tables seem to be choppy by me when I m playing. I will post my results.

[spiker]

beware on a choppy table!! they were choppy when i tried it both times and it sucks your BR slowly. i'll be curiously waiting to hear your results....good luck

[Knick111]

good morning spiker.

you said in your post--beware on a choppy table!! they were choppy when I tried it both times and
it sucks your bank roll slowly.

question spiker--- how much did you buy in for.



What was the table limit--$5 dollars or10 or 15 or $25 dollars.

how many units of your buyin were you betting on each shooter

post me that information, and i'll tell you how to bet, so you wont lose your bank roll.

Don't forget spiker, you can only lose one unit on each shooter OR else you will leave the casino broke.

JAIME.

[wild child]

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With an average of 3 decimal point something rolls,consider a diminishing return in wishing
fewer and/or greater number of rolls with zero 7 showing.........It happens....That is numbers
of rolls/tosses beyond the mat fall both < & >

HOWEVER FACTOR perhaps less so than "THE AVERAGE"

Dice Influencer types often see "average" as a # differing from and a little larger than
three point something rolls/tosses ...........There is a steep fall-off as we seek greater numbers
of rolls/tosses per specific hand .
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The person making wagers on the outcome of specific numbers showing prior to THE SEVEN (7) ...
Craps games are anything than static events...there is little time between rolls of the dice for one
to make a decision an act upon said decision...
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"Blink" by M. Gladwell may be of interest
http://www.gladwell.com/blink/
.
"Blink" is a book about rapid cognition, about the kind of thinking that
happens in a blink of an eye and may be an interesting read............

With all that said,take a win and remove you winnings and the original $ wagered from danger of loss
in perhaps one or two rolls...........

Just me saying

W C