OK if the don't better cheers his 7-out wins?

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OK if the don't better cheers his 7-out wins?

Post by freak » Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:01 pm

We've been seeing this guy in Cherokee that always bets the don't. In fact he wears a shirt that says "7-out line away!" Last trip he was at the other end of our table. L was getting into a pretty fair hand on a point of four:
4 - 9 - 3 - 5 - 8 - 6 - 10 - 8 - 8 - 9...
We were placed inside, making profit and the dang devil rolled. Mr "7-out" cheered loudly. L was pretty ticked. It hurt to have a nice roll dashed and hearing him cheer was salt in the wound. She wanted to punch him in the nose. I was determined to knock him back if I could and did, setting three points and hitting them in just six rolls: 5 - 5P - 6 - 6P - 9 - 9P Then I set a 4. If I make it I've got a fire bet. Three rolls later I sevened out and he cheered (less loudly than before) and left the table. Later we got to talking about it. We play the don't sometimes, but we try to keep it really low key. But when we play the PL we're quite likely to celebrate loudly on a win. So why shouldn't a don't better be allowed to celebrate too? We were just wondering what people thought. Do you cheer a don't win? Do you wish you could? Does it make you mad if a don't better gets excited over his win which is your loss?
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Re: OK if the don't better cheers his 7-out wins?

Post by Golfer » Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:26 pm

No class. If playing the Don't you should not display in nthat manner, unless you are Dylanfreak.

Now if playing at a table with mostly darksiders yell away. I have done that and people get excited and run over and then realize what is going on and they skulk away. Sweet.


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Re: OK if the don't better cheers his 7-out wins?

Post by $5Bill » Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:28 pm

The other players don't like the don't better cheering his wins. I have learn from the beginning when my fiends Larry and Howard first taught me how to play Craps. They were Don't players. "Just keep you mouth shut and pick up your wins," they told me. So that's what I do. But honestly I'm really screaming with joy inside of me when I win, I just don't show it.

It can go the other way too. This spring I was at the casino shooting from the don't from straight out. Well I got on one of my long rolls and I didn't switch over to the right side. This creep standing next to me began to laugh as loud as he could every time I knocked myself off. I got extremely mad and I really wanted to punch him in the face but if did that I would probably have gotten band from the casino and I didn't want that to happen. I lost and when it was over I walked away. The idiot was still laughing. Nobody should laugh at anyone who loses no matter what side they are playing on.


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Re: OK if the don't better cheers his 7-out wins?

Post by wudged » Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:31 pm

I don't cheer when I win a dark side bet, but then again I usually don't when I win right side bet either. The only time cheering bothers me is when I'm shooting from the don't and making continual passes and the person next to me tries to high five me. Some drunk off her ass lady once couldn't understand why I was being "rude" and not wanting to high five her. The dealer tried to explain I was losing money and she just didn't understand.

Anyway, use it as ammunition to shoot better next time!

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Re: OK if the don't better cheers his 7-out wins?

Post by Ahigh » Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:10 pm

Never forget this is a game of entertainment. The time to cheer is if you are having a good time. If you cheer and somebody gets pissed off, it's probably because they are taking the game far too seriously or because they are taking your cheers as a personal insult of some sort!

If you're not insulting anyone (or happy that they got messed up) remind anyone that gets pissed off that it's just a game(!!!!)

That being said, if somebody comes up and bets the don't while I'm shooting and is cheering because I lost (rather than because they won), that's completely different!!!

It's important that any time you are cheering that you are cheering because you are happy and be conscious about others who are sad, whether you are on the do or the don't does not matter at all!

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Re: OK if the don't better cheers his 7-out wins?

Post by shunkaha » Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:32 pm

Well, from my perspective if I am shooting I prefer that everyone be quiet win or lose. It gets me out of the zone when people are cheering and or calling for numbers, not to mention it draws crowds and I hate that. Of course conversely when others shoot I don't cheer then either, for the same reasons. All this being said those who cheer at the misfortune of the shooter, I hate them with a special passion.

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Re: OK if the don't better cheers his 7-out wins?

Post by Dave73 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:41 pm

I'm not overly expressive so I rarely cheer. I'll occasionally give a single clap on a win, right or wrong, after a bunch of close calls or a long roll, but is barely apparent to most at the table. most of the time I just collect my winnings while thanking the dealer.

Fwiw, if I see darksiders at a table I'll try to get on the same side of then if ppssible

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Re: OK if the don't better cheers his 7-out wins?

Post by wild child » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:10 am

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Most DEDICATED DARK SIDE PLAYERS are reserved Win or Lose....They figure the hand eventually
comes to a halt with the SEVEN OUT.....

Most DARK SIDE PLAYERS never touch let alone actually toss the dice.

On RARE OCCASIONS with only DON'T PLAYERS on a table you will hear some cat calls.

One idiot in the Mississippi Gulf Coast ( Biloxi/Gulfport /Bay St Louis) area used to toss chips
at other players dice as they were mid flight...I understand after some one had a "PRAYER MEETING"
with him ...he started escorting some worn out ASPHALT ANGLE ( road whore) along with him and
as he would take a hike she would toss a chip or two to bust up some shooters hand.....

He seemed to have gone to oblivion then about 18 months ago as we were waiting in line for
the Thursday OYSTER & SHRIMP feast in Hollywood Casino , I looked down from our 2Nd floor position........There he was with his "DATE" and sure enough he stepped away from the craps table
and she surprised an unsuspecting shooter........That is an extreme......Have not been back and do not know if I ever will get back there ...I do like their unlimited seafood buffet with seafood prepared about every way possible....Not fond of the (to me) seemingly extra long craps tables
or the tolerance of a the guy with insanely bad manners........

W C

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Re: OK if the don't better cheers his 7-out wins?

Post by Craps75 » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:41 am

I've recently played the don't some. It's hard for me because I like to cheer.

The occasional YES escapes me even when I'm trying hard to be reserved. I try to just pick up my winnings and move quietly along.

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Re: OK if the don't better cheers his 7-out wins?

Post by Americraps » Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:19 pm

I usually do an inner cheer without making a sound when I am playing the don't and win. I think it's rude to cheer out loud when someone sevens out, and right siders are losing their money. Technically, it's rude to cheer a PL winner when there is a don't player but for some reason that bit of rudeness isn't considered objectionable. Just like a black pride parade wouldn't be racist, but a white pride parade would. It's another weird thing.
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Re: OK if the don't better cheers his 7-out wins?

Post by Dylanfreake » Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:44 pm

This last weekend I played a session where I never was able to yell Cowtippin!!!! But then I played another session where I yelled it a lot.

We Darkside bettors have just as much right to celebrate as a Rightside player. Both Rightside Players and Darkside players are playing against the casino, contrary to what some players think.

I`m all for any player to beat the heck out of the casino.

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Re: OK if the don't better cheers his 7-out wins?

Post by SHOOTITALL » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:53 pm

Ya know, I think the next time I win playing the dark, I will high-five me self.
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Re: OK if the don't better cheers his 7-out wins?

Post by Dylanfreake » Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:22 pm

Just slap yourself on the ass , SIA. That way you don`t have to get on your tippy toes.

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Re: OK if the don't better cheers his 7-out wins?

Post by mycoalsmith » Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:10 pm

wild child wrote:.
Most DARK SIDE PLAYERS never touch let alone actually toss the dice. W C
Yeah, "MOST" Dark Side Players don't shoot -but not ALL of them.

I happened to be up at Seneca Allegany in Seneca, NY at the Craps table one late evening. It was a $5.00 table and was not busy since it was 10:30 or so on a weekday night. There were about an average of 5 people at the table all the time - as some left, others would join in.

This one older guy sat in a chair at the table and played the Don't Line. Usually he seemed to bet around $50.00 - $100.00 on each bet. And at one point he seemed to be doing pretty good as his rail had alot of chips. He asked for another chair so his nephew could play, so nephew came up and pulled out money and started playing along his Uncle. (I would assume the chairs were so they could just sit there for long periods of time and rake in the money as the 7's showed.)

However, the Uncle always rolled when the dice came to him. On the next round, the Nephew wanted to shoot, so they put their $50.00 - $100.00 bet on the Don't and backed it up with odds. The next roll or so resulted in the Point being made - so their money quickly got taken by the dealers. The Nephew seemed to be in a fuss, and didn't want to shoot anymore since he lost for him and his Uncle, so Uncle took the dice and rolled -I'm guessing to show the Nephew how it's done to roll a 7. Couple rolls later, the Uncle's point was rolled and again their money got taken away. Uncle rolled about 3 more times, each time getting a point and their money being taken away.

At this point, the Uncle and Nephew had had enough, so the Uncle quickly picked up what few chips he had (by this time the Nephew was out of chips) and quickly left the table.

Even though it was the Uncle's turn to roll again (since he got the point), the dice were passed to the last player since Uncle wasn't there.

I had to chuckle to myself that the Don't Player lost money while us other winners were raking it in and cheering with each win.

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Re: OK if the don't better cheers his 7-out wins?

Post by AtGame7 » Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:33 am

This is a good discussion. I rarely let anyone or anything bother me so I'm probably not qualified to answer this question. A good example was me playing the don't last night and someone bet a $5 YO for the crew and it hit on a come out roll costing me my line bet but winning the dealer bet. The dealer next to me cheered loudly and immediately realized what she did and apologized over and over. I told here it really wasn't a big deal and she should be happy the crew won a bet.

The pit boss was walking by and saw this happen and even he came over to apologize and again I said an apology was not necessary.

I'll be honest, I find it funny that if a wrong side PLAYER did this to a right side PLAYER it owuld probably case a problem. Weird. I think the closest I came to being offended or upset was when I was on the DP and a guy threw 5 points and I was laying odds on all of them. The box girl who I know pretty well said something like "Gee, you just can't win one today" and a guy next to me said "I love it when these asshole Don't bettors lose everything".

He was told to leave which I thought was a complete over-reaction.

I told the pit boss it was not necessary to toss him out, but he wasn't gonna change his mind. I'm a bit of a regular and, I think, pretty well liked by the staff so I'm sure that factored into the decision to toss the guy. My point is that I really don't care who cheers for or against me, but name calling kinda crosses the line.

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Re: OK if the don't better cheers his 7-out wins?

Post by Dylanfreake » Sat Oct 05, 2013 11:03 am

I really don` care how much yelling is going on at a craps table as long as it it is in good fun. I am quiet at a craps table mainly because I go to casinos for some peace and quiet. Sometimes I may yell, "Cowtippin`", but most of the time I just quietly pick up my chips. Long rolls at a table does not matter to me because I only lose one bet per shooter. I love it when rightside players are making money because I know the casino does not like it. Also, I like tables where rightsiders are making money because I don`t shoot the dice and I need a good table which draws shooters so that I can play.

Also if a DI is in "the Zone", he shouldn`t even be aware of other players cheering or even be aware of other players bets.

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Re: OK if the don't better cheers his 7-out wins?

Post by spiker » Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:57 pm

Hell ya its ok to cheer! The "do"players cheer when they win and the don't player loses, sometimes to the point of rubbing it in your face. So by all means cheer when you win on the donts. It's your money and you are there to win.weather you play the right side or the dark side, cheer when you win. That's why you are there! If you are worried about what someone else thinks of you then that's a personnel issue and has nothing to do with gambling.

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Re: OK if the don't better cheers his 7-out wins?

Post by KnowNothing » Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:30 pm

$nakeeye$ wrote:Right Side or Wrong Side -

I try and remain poker faced regardless of which way I am betting, whether I am the shooter or not -

I try not to get ' caught up in the moment ' - especially when I am throwing numbers -

Be they 7's or Horn numbers on the Come-Out - or box numbers during the point cycle -

And I kind of hate it when some idiot standing next to me - wants to High Five me for throwing a number that won his some money -

"Take your winnings and leave me the f*ck alone , a**hole ! " - which is what I think -

As I tend to ignore most other players at the table I am reluctant to speak out loud -

Either good or bad -

As goes the phrase - " Familiarity breeds contempt " -

I have enough contempt for idiotic players - I do not want to speak to them also !

$...eE..$

It does not bother me one way or the other if DarkSiders hoop and holler when they win -

When I play right side - my d*ck gets hard when I knock them off - especially with stacks of green and black ' odds ' bets next to their DP wager !
We've met but once, but it's like we did a Vulcan mind-meld.

Nothing beyond a fist-pump is my M.O., right or wrong. F-ing hate high-fives & fist-touches. "Leave me the F-alone so we can continue collecting clay." When I hear "c'mon shooter", all I want to do is strangle someone.

Looking forward to our return to the Garden State,
KN

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Re: OK if the don't better cheers his 7-out wins?

Post by al_falcons » Tue Oct 22, 2013 7:14 pm

I have been playing a lot of don't pass recently and I try not to cheer on a 7-out. I try to recruit other players to the dark side if I am winning. A lot of times I explain my theory, "If I can find a spot at the table (in AC or Ctown, WVA), then the table probably isn't hot. So I will play the don't and if the table turns, I will turn with them. Then if my shooting is on and I am throwing quick 7-outs, I might tell any high rollers at my side of the table that I am prone to 7-out, so that they don't lose a lot of money.

I have converted a few players to the don't side one Saturday night in Nassau, and yes, we did cheer when this woman bet $25 don't pass and 2x odds on the point and WON from the dark side for her first time. That may have pissed some people off, but hey we were having a good time and other than that one time, I was very quiet when I won. I know that Wudged and I have both won don't bets and might give a silent fist pump or something like that, but we wouldn't cheer wildly. I don't think I would see Wudged cheer wildly in ANY situation, :mrgreen: I think I actually make fun of people who cheer or lose wildly at the craps table. I see it all the time!

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Re: OK if the don't better cheers his 7-out wins?

Post by wudged » Tue Oct 22, 2013 7:53 pm

al_falcons wrote:I don't think I would see Wudged cheer wildly in ANY situation, :mrgreen: I think I actually make fun of people who cheer or lose wildly at the craps table. I see it all the time!
Ha, so true!

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