6/8 strategy

[CrapsGenius]

Here it is. This is my betting progression I use when I visit the craps table. it keeps me playing for quite a while on a $300.00 bankroll.

Place 6 and 8 for $12 each, if win drop $4 and go to $30, if win (pays 35 + 30) Take $1 change and place all numbers for $64 across.
Your choice to choose same bet thereafter. I choose to double the bet after each win pulling back some winnings.

I've put together a WinCraps classic file for those interested.

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 ' CrapsGenius 6/8 regression/progression
 ' Starts with $12 each on Place 6 and 8
 ' 1 hit presses to $30 bet on place 6 or 8
 ' 2 hits regresses $30 bets to $10 on 4, 5, 9, 10 and $12 on 6, 8
 ' Subsequent hits progress 50% of the amount won on the number hit
 ' Starts over when a 7-out is rolled.
 When . . .
          Initializing Auto-Bet
     or when . . .
          A Point is decided "against" any number
 then . . .
          Set Auto-Handle Winning Bets to "Press Double"
          Bet $ 12 on Place 6
          Bet $ 12 on Place 8
          Set flag "Load" to False
 When . . .
          Place 6 has won 1 time
     or when . . .
          Place 6 is greater than $ 12
 then . . .
          Bet $ 30 on Place 6
 When . . .
          Place 8 has won 1 time
     or when . . .
          Place 8 is greater than $ 12
 then . . .
          Bet $ 30 on Place 8
 When . . .
          Place 6 is not less than $ 60
     or when . . .
          Place 8 is not less than $ 60
 then . . .
          Set Auto-Handle Winning Bets to "Press 1 Unit"
          Bet $ 10 on Place 4
          Bet $ 10 on Place 5
          Bet $ 12 on Place 6
          Bet $ 12 on Place 8
          Bet $ 10 on Place 9
          Bet $ 10 on Place 10
 End

At a real table, I don't press so aggressive. instead I look to see if there is more than $200 total bets on the table, I regress back to 64 across or if I notice individual numbers, I try to get as many greens as possible.

1) Drop $7 for $25 (Green Chip) after each 4/10 win if you choose not to increase your place bets.
2) Drop $11 for $25 (Green Chip) after each 5/9/6/8 win if you choose not to increase your place bets.

Total invest > $28.00 per round (Example: If 8 has $12, after a win drop $4 and go to $30 for a total investment of $28, after 8 wins again you take down your 6 and place all the numbers for 64 giving you $1 change and total investment of $15.00 across all the numbers).
After 1 win ($14-$18) from your place bet numbers you're playing on casino money.

[gargoil]

WOW.. That's awesome dude.
Now I know why you are the genius. I mean how come I never thought of that. Or anyone else on this board.

I think you should start teaching betting strategy classes.

[CrapsGenius]

WOW.. That's awesome dude.
Now I know why you are the genius. I mean how come I never thought of that. Or anyone else on this board.

I think you should start teaching betting strategy classes.

I'm just sharing what I have to share. It's up to you if you choose to use this type of play.

Its great at a $10.00 table.

you can also:

1) Drop $7 for $25 (Green Chip) after each 4/10 win if you choose not to increase your place bets.
2) Drop $11 for $25 (Green Chip) after each 5/9/6/8 win if you choose not to increase your place bets.

[CrapsGenius]

4 hits (slightly less if the 4 and 10 are hits three and four) just to be at a break even point. Terrible when you consider the average number of box hits prior to a seven out. A "genius" and his money are soon parted.

I'm also amused by the disparity in your two comments"

This is my betting progression I use when I visit the craps table.

and

At a real table, I don't press so aggressive....

In other words, I think you're FOS.

Irish, are you having a bad day or something? You don't choose to see the glass "half full" Instead i'm getting the impression you see the glass only "half empty"

Positive attitude goes a long way.

In this system you only invest $28.00 of your own money to get you $64 across including the point.(Example: If 8 has $12, after a win drop $4 and go to $30 for a total investment of $28, after 8 wins again you take down your 6 and place all the numbers for 64 giving you $1 change and total investment of $15.00 across all the numbers).

After 1 win ($14-$18) from your place bet numbers you're playing on casino money.

[CrapsGenius]

I'm having a fantastic day. It's a bye weekend for my daughter's soccer team that I coach. It's going to be in the mid 70's, so I'll spend the day outside, maybe grill some meat for dinner.

But let me get this straight, a "positive attitude" changes probability? Awesome.

Also, the idea behind "sharing" is that others are interested in what you have. If I have a bag of dog crap, I may want to "share" it, but the number of interested takers is quite limited. Look closely at the analogy.

Are you saying that my 6/8 strategy is "Dog Crap" system that does not hold water when at a live craps table?

I trust your honesty. (Everyone has their opinions)

[heavy]

Come on guys. Play nice.

[gargoil]

Come on guys. Play nice.

Lol...
Okay just this once.
Craps genius. What Irish is trying to say is that although this may sound like a good strategy for you, in the real world its not for others and we don't recommend it. What you need to understand is that we have new members joining on a regular basis looking for advice and they don't know how to play. Experts on this forum (yes Irish is one of them. No I am not) have to make sure they get sound advice. And they have to argue stu.. I mean not so sound advice.

Now the reason why Irish sounds rude in his responses is because several on the forum including myself have tried to reason with you and offer help but you chose to ignore it and keep making a fool of yourself. So the reason for the harsh tone is a warning to newbies to ignore you.

And that's as nice as I can be.

[amish dude]

last time me and Irish where at the Table
0 hits:
1 hit:same bet
2 hits:same bet
3 hits:Press it 1 unit
4 hits:press it 1 unit
I bought in for a $100 irish a $150
my win for that secession $200
His unknown but I believe he walked away with a bigger stack then he walked in with

[CrapsGenius]

Yes.

Break out each scenario for me.

0 hits:
1 hit:
2 hits:
3 hits:
4 hits:

This is probably a lot to ask, but maybe even calculate the likelihood of each event.

Instead i'm getting the impression you see the glass only "half empty"

funny I get the same impression about your head.

You see, wagering 10%(ish) of your bankroll on a system that requires 4 hits to break even is not "genius."

0 hits: = -$24
1 hit: = -$28
2 hits: = +$51
3 hits: = +$65 or +69
4 hits: = (+79 or +83) or (+83 or +87)

I suggest you go back to night school and re-educate yourself in basic math.

[gargoil]

anyone wish to correct his math?

Nope. I am done with him

[London Shooter]

Well my first observation would be there is no profit on two hits as all winnings, bar $1 change, are re-invested in going $64 across

[Mad Professor]

Maybe someone can chime in with the probability of 3 hits on the 6/8.

Randomly-speaking:

~The probability of hitting ONE 6 or 8 before a 7 is 62.5%

~The probability of hitting TWO 6 or 8's before a 7 is 39.1%

~The probability of hitting THREE 6 or 8's before a 7 is 24.4%

On average, approximately 1-in-4 randomly-thrown hands will reach the "three 6's or 8's before a 7" threshold.

~The probability of hitting FOUR 6 or 8's before a 7 is 15.3%

~The probability of hitting FIVE 6 or 8's before a 7 is 9.5%

~The probability of hitting SIX 6 or 8's before a 7 is 5.4%

~The probability of hitting SEVEN 6 or 8's before a 7 is 3.7%

~The probability of hitting EIGHT 6 or 8's before a 7 is 2.3%

~The probability of hitting NINE 6 or 8's before a 7 is 1.5%

~The probability of hitting TEN 6 or 8's before a 7 is 0.90%


MP

[wudged]

Assuming BEST case scenario (6 hits twice in a row, then 4 every time [since it pays the best]): [tr][td]hits[/td][td]4[/td][td]5[/td][td]6[/td][td]8[/td][td]9[/td][td]10[/td][td]total bets[/td][td]win (last hit)[/td][td]total win[/td][td]profit[/td][/tr] [tr][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][td]12[/td][td]12[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][td]24[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][td]-24[/td][/tr] [tr][td]1[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][td]30[/td][td]12[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][td]42[/td][td]14[/td][td]14[/td][td]-28[/td][/tr] [tr][td]2[/td][td]10[/td][td]10[/td][td]12[/td][td]12[/td][td]10[/td][td]10[/td][td]64[/td][td]35[/td][td]49[/td][td]-15[/td][/tr] [tr][td]3[/td][td]20[/td][td]10[/td][td]12[/td][td]12[/td][td]10[/td][td]10[/td][td]74[/td][td]18[/td][td]67[/td][td]-7[/td][/tr] [tr][td]4[/td][td]40[/td][td]10[/td][td]12[/td][td]12[/td][td]10[/td][td]10[/td][td]94[/td][td]39[/td][td]106[/td][td]12[/td][/tr] It takes 2 hits on 6, then 2 hits on 4 to show profit.

If 6 hits every time: [tr][td]hits[/td][td]4[/td][td]5[/td][td]6[/td][td]8[/td][td]9[/td][td]10[/td][td]total bets[/td][td]win (last hit)[/td][td]total win[/td][td]profit[/td][/tr] [tr][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][td]12[/td][td]12[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][td]24[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][td]-24[/td][/tr] [tr][td]1[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][td]30[/td][td]12[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][td]42[/td][td]14[/td][td]14[/td][td]-28[/td][/tr] [tr][td]2[/td][td]10[/td][td]10[/td][td]12[/td][td]12[/td][td]10[/td][td]10[/td][td]64[/td][td]35[/td][td]49[/td][td]-15[/td][/tr] [tr][td]3[/td][td]10[/td][td]10[/td][td]24[/td][td]12[/td][td]10[/td][td]10[/td][td]76[/td][td]14[/td][td]63[/td][td]-13[/td][/tr] [tr][td]4[/td][td]10[/td][td]10[/td][td]48[/td][td]12[/td][td]10[/td][td]10[/td][td]100[/td][td]28[/td][td]91[/td][td]-9[/td][/tr] [tr][td]5[/td][td]10[/td][td]10[/td][td]96[/td][td]12[/td][td]10[/td][td]10[/td][td]148[/td][td]56[/td][td]147[/td][td]-1[/td][/tr] [tr][td]6[/td][td]10[/td][td]10[/td][td]192[/td][td]12[/td][td]10[/td][td]10[/td][td]244[/td][td]112[/td][td]259[/td][td]15[/td][/tr] It takes 6 hits on the 6 before you reach any profit.

Again, these are BEST case scenarios.

Now, who needs some tutoring on basic math?

[amish dude]

When it comes to a 6.8 strategy, I think Wizards 4-3-2-1-X is probably the best. You can search for it on this board if you don't know what that is.

OR you could have posted the LINK >>

[KnowNothing]

Behooves any community to keep the ranks tight.

This is one of the last places I'd lay information that wasn't logically verified through my own internal dialogue. Most BS here is quickly sussed out. Checking sources is key, but if it's blatant 'up' means 'down'; when 'up' unarguably means 'up'... you have to question a) typo b) intent.


Hope to meet Irish some day, f-ing pistol eh?

KN

[heavy]

Classic John Patrick play and one I've used many times thru the years.

[Stilgar]

When it comes to a 6.8 strategy, I think Wizards 4-3-2-1-X is probably the best. You can search for it on this board if you don't know what that is.

Would someone please link to the Wizard strategy Indie is referencing? The search engine does not approve of my keywords at 3am lol.

My thoughts for a 6/8 strategy:

Place 6 / 8 for 2 units each - running cost $24
first hit, press both numbers 1 unit and rack $2 - running cost $22
second hit - same bet, collect $21 - running cost of $1
choose your path wisely from there

[SHOOTITALL]

Here is a 6/8 strat that I have used and had fairly good results. With a $200 buy in. With a larger buyin, you can start at two units each. All else applies.
After the CO roll, place the 6/8 for either $6 or $12, table minimum. Let it cook with neither taking down nor increasing. When or if you get ahead $24 (over your buyin), then go up one unit each and do the same, letting the table decide your bets until you are again ahead another $12. Then increase one unit and wash and repeat.
However if you get whacked, drop back to the former bet (if you are at $18, drop back to $12, at $12 drop back to $6)
The madness behind this method is that if you increase your bet during a hand, a whack is just too detrimental to overcome easily. Then, all increases are placed with winnings, not BR.
A variation is IF either the 6 or 8 is "hot" increase that one only letting the other pay its own freight until it can justify an increase.

[robk]

When I play ($200-300) I usually just place the 6&8 with $12ea. If I get a hit on either one I then make them both $6ea. Now no matter what happens I have a profit of $2. If i get another hit I keep that in my rack. That gives me $9 profit. Depending on how I feel about the shooter, I sometimes will leave the 6&8 up for another hit. Which usually doesn't happen. But if I do get another hit I place that # hit with $6 more, racking up $1 profit. I know, I know this is not making much money, but I can at least make a small profit if I get a hit or two. The most that I am out is my initial $12. Cheap, yes I am, lol. I did in fact one time within about just over an hr. made $160+. Not bad for a "rongarm". Please feel free with what you think of this simple little means of playing the 6&8.

rongarm10

"Life is too short not to be happy".

I tried this last time at the casino, but after charting the shooters after a lap of the table. I like to bet more on the darkside, but I have sat TUMA on good hands trying to avoid hot shooters. I like this a lot since the bet pays for itself after the first hit and the rest is gravy. I am I getting rich, no, but it can be a nice way to play waiting for the dice.

[SHOOTITALL]

Robk: You might give this one a whirl waiting on the dice. To me, the best of both worlds.
Make a minimum Don't Pass bet. After the come out, place the 6 and 8 (assuming the shooter got a point, if he whacked you with a natural, decision time whether to let a shooter try and beat you twice. But that aside, after a point is established, place the six and eight even if either the 6 or 8 is the point. This is the one hit, can't miss strategy. On a $5 table, DP is $5, 6/8 $6 each. One hit on the six or eight and you have a $1 profit regardless of the next roll. Only down side is comeout naturals and shooter hitting his point when the point is not a six or eight. This can be played at any level but it is gambling.