Does "Big" money draw naturally draw heat?

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Does "Big" money draw naturally draw heat?

Post by dork » Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:44 am

I bought in today with my 'usual' $500; depending on my goals for the session, I'll buy in with 300, 500, 600 or 700. Oddly, (I sez to myself), I rarely buy in for $400. Dunno why not.

Anyway, the goal of today's session was to try for the very first time-- MP's $204 Across w/ a 2-hit regression to $26/27 Across. I've never played in that thin air, and I didn't disappoint today; Chicken Little that I am. I had 2G's in my wallet, but I just didn't want to bust out more than 'usual'. As I walked up to the table, I knew my goals; I also didn't wanna draw more heat than usual from one of the guys who usually likes to lean on me when I short-roll (only one guy seems to care). The wad looked like 5-7 $100's and I was satisfied with that and threw it in.

The biggest reason I didn't buy in with more was because I never have. If the dealers had been strangers, it wouldn't have made any difference at all; I'd have done it, then. But since they all knew me by sight, and 3 of the 4 know me by name, I thought dropping more than $1,000 would have 'brought the hackles up' if ya'll get my meaning. I really didn't want to be scrutinized any more than usual, especially since I was planning to increase my bets beyond my own usual limits.

(I should say that I was ready to dip into the wallet if I needed to; I haven't thought this out completely. Just because I set a higher loss limit for myself at $4-500, I would think I'd need more in the rack to support that kind of play, and that I'd color up when the losses got to those numbers. But my point here is, 'dipping into the wallet' [because of a 'meager' $500 buy-in] is a pre-determined "necessity" if I'm going to give the MP-$204 strategy a fair chance to perform statistically. I figured at the worst, I would tolerate 2 consecutive PSO's or akin to that, but that was my limit.)

For those of you who feel your DI efforts are at least perceptible--the dealers watch you go through a complete dice-setting regimen, and your toss looks truly practiced--do you feel that a big buy-in triggers heat?

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Re: Does "Big" money draw naturally draw heat?

Post by Mad Professor » Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:04 pm

Hi Dork,

No, generally speaking, the BIGGER the buy-in, the LOWER the heat (in a win-tolerant house).

Dealers can generally 'mess' with low buy-in players because they know there is very little risk of bringing on the wrath of the Table Games Manager, the Shift Manager, or the head of Player Development.

Most dealers already know that the bigger a player's buy-in, the higher the chance that the player already has a relationship with one of those three (or better yet, all three)...and if he doesn't; he should. ;)

That way, IF one of the crew does start to mess with him; he can ask the TGS to beckon one of them (by name). That usually stops any crew hijinx dead in their tracks.

Trust me when I say that no delaer wants to be hauled into the Shift Manager's office to explain why he went out of his way to piss off a higher-value player. Similarly, none of them want to be called at home to come in early for their next shift because the VP of Player Development wants to see him about a player-complaint.



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Re: Does "Big" money draw naturally draw heat?

Post by freak » Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:38 pm

When we started playing the MiniMP$96 I noticed an immediate increase in attention and respect from the dealers. We were still buying in for $500, but instead of betting $12 now and then, we were making them work for us on every roll. I think a lot of dealers take pride in learning your play and getting you set up quickly. And like other jobs, work goes faster if you have something to do. It's boring to stand at a table with 5 players that aren't placing bets. It become clear pretty quickly you are there to play and that you know the game.

So, in summary, I agree with MP- Larger bets or buy-in should earn you more respect and less "heat."
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Re: Does "Big" money draw naturally draw heat?

Post by $5Bill » Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:23 pm

In my experience Big Money does not draw heat. More pit critters watch over the game so the dealers are paying out the right amount. But what it does to me when I am at a $5 or $10 table is that they raise the table limits up. I hate it when they do that.


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