Do you qualify a shooter ?

[diceshooter711]

it sounds crazy but when I first walk into a casino I look over at the craps tables if I see alot of cheering and claping I walk over and look at what is going on then I look at the chip trays in front of each player if they have full chip racks then I start looking at the way the shooters are setting the dice I will jump in if the table mood is good and there is happy people playing and winning but if there is no one cheering and winning I stay away from that table.also if there are a lot of dark side players I will not get on a ruined darkside table it just kills the good vibe for me.

[heavy]

That's actually an old school way to qualify a table. Other keys in that respect include the amount of action in the prop box and the number of Don't players at the table.

[Turbo944s2]

Yes sorta, I watch everyone at the table and I remember the numbers that they throw. I either say this person throws a lot of field numbers or they throw non field numbers. Then I bet conservatively according to what they threw in there previous rolls. I also like empty tables because there is less distractions and interference.

[Nacho Money]

Not anymore - I can't tell you the final results of any shooter by any indicator - when I look back at my predictions to actual shooter results - it's random - I might as well close my eyes and throw a dart.

This last trip I took to Vegas, I had at least one roller in each session that became a profitable roll that I initially wanted to "cringe" every time they threw. One short Asian girl had "no aim" and threw the dice into the boxman chip stack, then the next throw bounced off the mirrors on the stickman side, then she either threw it off the table or did short rolls - in the end, she made 4 passes and hit my 10 parlay. People who I thought would be good, sometimes they hit, sometimes not. There wasn't a consistent indicator for anything or anyone.

Of course, this begs the next question: So, you're DI, why don't you just bet on yourself - aren't you better than random? Well, I think if all DI'ers are honest, I don't think anyone of them can accurately predict whether they will have a good or bad hand at that moment. On this last trip, I was rolling when this drunk jerk starts harassing the box over a field bet, then over his behavior. I thought for sure, that this would effect my rolling - but in the end I made 3 passes and a lot of inside numbers.

Where I think the value is for DI, is in the long run. For example, in a course of a several day trip, when it comes to me rolling my own profitable hand compared to my friends rolling their own profitable hand, (they're "randies"), I will have more of these. For me, I can't predict my roll to roll success, but I can count on that I will out-perform my randie friends over the course of the trip.

So, roll to roll, I can't predict who to bet or not bet on - so I bet on them all...

However, that's why I use win goals, loss limits and swing thresholds(amount of positive monetary movement in one hand) - other shooters and tables don't really matter to me - what does is the affect on the session bankroll. Also, make sure that you have a "right-sized" session bankroll when you go into a craps session - under financing your play will result in a lot of "I came here to not really gamble" decisions.

[heavy]

There are some good ideas on this thread - particularly from Nacho Money. It thought I'd bring this one back. What are your thoughts? Do you qualify a shooter? If so, how? If not, why? Irish, I already know your answer but feel free to chime in anyway. LOL.

[flextimeLV]

I don't qualify shooters anymore, other than passing on first time female shooters, BUT I do watch them closely for any sign they MIGHT be a DI. Just when I think I found one based on their precision and care setting the dice, the body positioning and completely intentional throwing motion, I'll still see the dice tumble through the air in a whatsoever fashion and bounce all over the place upon landing. I just can't see how the shooter could influence the outcome. Granted, I've seen some of these shooters hit point after point and have me wondering if maybe...what if.... but then they'll PSO next time around. I'd love to buy into the idea that true DI's exist, but I've not seen good evidence of it YET.

I get amused when I hear the stickman request the shooter to "hit the back wall please" or "all the way down." Really??? Do dealers REALLY think we can control the outcome or is that some mind game to further the notion that DI is real so we keep hope alive and come back for more?

[Dylanfreake]

Since I play the Donts , if I lose once to a shooter I do not bet on him anymore, so I guess I de--qualify shooters.

[mssthis1]

I just can't see how the shooter could influence the outcome. Granted, I've seen some of these shooters hit point after point and have me wondering if maybe...what if.... but then they'll PSO next time around. I'd love to buy into the idea that true DI's exist, but I've not seen good evidence of it YET.

I get amused when I hear the stickman request the shooter to "hit the back wall please" or "all the way down." Really??? Do dealers REALLY think we can control the outcome or is that some mind game to further the notion that DI is real so we keep hope alive and come back for more?

If a person can influence one toss out of 10 you have taken away the house advantage on most bets. The rest is up to proper betting and bankroll management.


What amuses me is the players who go oh my god it's a DI and then they way overbet their bankroll and press like he's going to roll forever. That approach is the same as expecting a pro golfer to hit a hole in one on every shot.

[flextimeLV]

Despite what I think about DI, when I shoot, I do it by the book, axis-craps style, and I shoot from the DP. A couple times I made such an impression on the other players that they actually 'paid' me to shoot for big red but from the passline using their chips. I hit points like crazy just as I did shooting myself in the foot. "Have some chips, hot shot, and keep setting your A7's just like you did before." I made a few hundred each time. Humiliating, but hey, I got paid.

[flextimeLV]

Which raises another good question. When I'm shooting from the don't and begging for a seven out, short of placing 64 across or passing the dice, what set do you recommend? A Tunica dealer once advised me to set a six and five on top in any fashion and never mind the other sides. It worked for me that session and remains my desperation 'go to pitch' to get me out of an inning. Anyone else have a suggestion?

[mssthis1]

Best shot is to have a buddy walk up, toss 4 one dollar bills on the table, tell the dealer money plays in the field and then argues with the dealer when he says $5.00 minimum table.

Personally, I have been practicing a don't strategy at home with a hardway set. After the point is set I toss to the landing zone on my table where I know I consistently toss more double pitches and both die off axis. Only time will tell if it works in a casino because every table is different.

[heavy]

I'll put up a pass line/single odds or place the 6/8 on just about anyone.

I would say that's ALMOST the best way to play. I would differ slightly and make it a Don't Pass with single or double odds and Place the Six and Eight - basically a take on SIA's one hit - can't miss strategy.