Charting Tables

[tconley]

Thanks Heavy for your insight on charting
Tom

[tconley]

Heavy,
Using your $110 inside betting strategy, if you win your inside bet, do you take your bets down and wait for the shooter to seven out?
or
Do you regress or press, if so to what $ amount
or
If the shooter makes his point and you took your bets down, do you go back and bet on him after his next point? Do you re-qualify him ? (has to throw an inside number) if so at what $ amount do you go back on him?
Thank you for your advice and this forum
Tom

[baitman]

I have been charting tables for about 12 + years and they do tell a tel of what is happening. But it was not until I got the Methos From Steve Nelli that all the charting became very important. No, nothing is 100% but the Method is the closes thing to it. Most of the time when I have a lose, when I go back and look at my book it was my fault.
The Method is the real thing and it is not for everyone, but if you are serious about winning you really need to think about it. If you just play for fun forget it.
BAITMAN

[heavy]

Hey Baitman - thanks for coming out of "retirement" and posting. Good to hear from you.

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[baitman]

I am glad to be here, I think you have one of the best boards out there on CRAPS.

Merry Christmas & Happy New Years to you and yours and everyone here.

BAITMAN

[bounce the bones]

I believe in table charting for the simple reason of every table requires a slightly different shot.

Some require a little more hieght some more revs on the dice some flater and tons of revs on the dice.

This allows me to go to a casino and already have a good idea of how i want to throw the dice.

For the beginers on the site the first thing you must learn to do is to throw the dice the same every time and hit the same spot on the table if you can not master this you will never master any alterations to your primary shot.

[bobbylee]

Charting the tables usually addresses watching what other shooters have been and are doing - stacks of chips, etc, and watching to see long or short hands and the whys, then deciding whether and when to make which bets on which shooters.

[runshoot]

Im interested more in the "how to chart" vs should I chart. I want to. So the next question is; is there a standard accepted form or paper or style or data set? In my own rudimentary ways I have a small spiral pad and track numbers, HW, pts for my SO and myself. Is there more to it?

[heavy]

There are a lot of different takes on it. I have a half dozen or so charts I've put together through the years. The one I'm using these days is a out the size of half a page of notebook paper. The first column is where I note the shooter's position. The next 12 columns are where I record rolls. The next 3 columns are where I keep a side count of certain numbers. The last column is wider and in for any notes I want to make, e.g. "hit a chip" or "cocktail server curse." The 3rd number tracking column is shaded to remind me that three is the mean where the probability of the sevenue showing is 1 in 6. The sixth column is shaded to remind me that the seven is "due" at that point, even though that's not exactly what the math boys will tell you. Last of all the 8th column is shaded to remind me that the average random hand is around 8.3 rolls. These shaded areason can be used to trigger regressions, turn bets off, or whatever.

That gives you sonething of an idea. You can add other info as you track rolls. For example, a 6H in a number column would be a hard six. A 6P would mean the point was 6 and the shooter made it. That sort of thing.

Have fun with it.

[Bankerdude80]

Charting while in a game certainly keeps you busy as you wait for the dice to move around the table back to you. Something to do instead of being tempted to toss more action on the layout, especially the prop bets.

[wild child]

My charting has evolved from counting on fingers to setting aside chips
to using a composition note book.......specifically the way I prefer.
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Office Depot stocks a Graph Page composition note book...
( Other business supply outlets may also stock or they may be available online )
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Full size the composition note book is printed with 1/4 inch blocks..
Each page contains 29 1/4 " blocks left to right
and 38 1/4" blocks top to bottom ( 4 blocks to the inch).......
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They retail about $2.37 each
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My local Office Depot slices the "Chart Paper" notebook
so each notebook becomes two(2) pocket size graph paper page charting books...
( 29 1/4" blocks left to right and 19 1/4" blocks top to page bottom )
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The local Office depot charges $0.10 ( 10 Cents )
each notebook for the slicing service.
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Each year , I purchase about 10 or 12 full size composition graph paper page books..
( That has been about the average they had on the shelf
and
I prefer not to hang around until the personnel can locate
and
pull more from the stock room ).
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Most years that 20 or 24 pocket size charting books last the entire year..
( several years I have had a pocket size charting book left over....
and
some years I have returned to have the personnel chop additional for charting craps)

Craps is a passion with me
My $ TAKE and $ HOLD has gone swimmingly well after I became serious about charting...

just me saying

W C