The Twelve Bets of Christmas

[Americraps]

Thumbs up, Great thread!

[AlBTossin]

Really appreciated the thread Heavy! That was a lot of information and I'm sure a fair amount of work to put that together. I'm glad you included the 4 & 10 play high on your list. I basically play an inside strategy on myself and other players. If it gets into a long roll I finally get on the 4/10 but I know I've lost several bets during the roll. This just reinforces what I have been seeing on the tables for a long time - when you see the 4 and /or 10 rolling, get on it early.

[axishooter]

Great thread, thanks Heavy

[VINYLGIRL]

Fantastic thread Heavy. Thanks for all the great info and the hard work you put into this thread. We leave for Vegas in two weeks and I need to tweak a few things, so I am ready. I give a full trip report when we come back.
May your dice always stay on axis, Vinyl & gang

[heavy]

Wish I could be in Vegas with you. Will be there in February for NADA, and Howard and I will be running a Craps Boot Camp the following weekend assuming there's enough interest in it.

No doubt you'll see many of the articles from this thread in future newsletters. We do have a few folks who are members who just don't dig deep into threads so I'll give them a second shot at the articles that way.

I am going to once again encourage you guys to visit my other websites - www.axispowercraps.com, www.crapsfest.com, and www.greatamericancrapshoot.com from time to time. There's a ton of great content there, including most of the articles I've written through the years.

[London Shooter]

Buying the 5 and 9 came up in this thread. I know they have this in Biloxi and I believe it is an auto buy at a certain level. Can anybody remind on what stake the buy is please?

[heavy]

I believe in Biloxi it's an auto-buy at $20, but we'll need a confirmation from the locals. At $10 it would pay you $15 for $1, or $14 so there's no point in doing it at that level. At $20 it'll pay you $30 for $1, or $29 versus the $28 you'd be paid on a Place bet. Even though they tell you it's automatically bought at that level - I'd ask anyway. I also like to have a supply of $1 chips just for such occasions. Then I can drop a dollar and easily know I'm being paid correctly.

[220Inside]

If the auto-buy is not in place does anyone actually employ the buying of 5/9 into their betting strategy and at what points?

[eastcoast]

I agree, this was a great thread, lot of good information here, thanks for putting up your other web sites Heavy.

[Irukanji]

In the spirit of the season, am bumping up this thread so newcomers to the forum can better educate themselves. I for one benefited from it. One's memory has to be refreshed once in a while.

[heavy]

On buying the five and nine - in theory you should be able to buy those numbers in any casino at the $20 level. Let's see what that does.

Place the five or nine for $20 - pays total $28
Buy the five or nine for $20 - pay $1 juice UP FRONT - win pays $30 total or $29 net.

Okay, it LOOKS like you get a better deal with the Buy bet, but in most casinos you have to pay the commission up front. The commission is 5%. The house vig on the Place bet is 4%. Assuming you buy the five or nine and pay the extra dollar up front - but never collect on that bet - then the place bet is marginally better. If I'm not mistaken the actual HA calculation puts the house at a 4% advantage on the Place bet and a 4.76% advantage on the pre-paid Buy bet. Bottom line - look for a game that collects the vig AFTER the number wins.