Craps Betting Strategy Game - New Thread

[heavy]

Okay, guys and gals. This is the thread we'll be playing this betting strategy game on for the next few weeks. I realize this is a long run commitment for some of you and appreciate the effort. Hopefully all of you won't bust out early. I did notice that some players felt that a $500 bankroll was too light for their betting strategy. For those of you who feel that way, I'll simply tell you what I tell people in the seminars when I discuss betting strategies. I'll talk in terms of bet sizes for the masses - e.g. a $12 six and eight. If you want to ad a zero to those numbers and play at a higher level the numbers will work just fine. So if you play a strategy with an extra zero on it in live games and are concerned that you can't play that strategy with just a $500 session stake - drop a zero off the end of your bets. You can get there. Personally, I find the challenge of playing with a smaller bankroll to be much more instructive than playing with a more forgiving amount. I don't ever want to see anyone have to get to the point that they are making "recovery stage" bets. I want you to avoid situations you would have to recover from. Just my opinion but you're stuck with it.

So, with that said, here's the game:

$500 Bankroll - no re-buys
Table limits - $10 minimum 3-4-5X odds - $5000 table max - $100 max prop bet, including hardways - Field pays double on the 2 and 12 - easy prop numbers pay 15-1 (or $16 and down) - hard prop numbers pay 30-1 (or $31 and down)

I'd like the following information on each post:

1. Current bets to include total amount on layout
2. Total left in rack
3. Total bankroll - rack plus action
4. Net win/loss as of current roll
5. Brief explanation of your strategy, what you hope will happen, and what your plans are after that.

Okay, here's an example. Let's assume it's roll 2 and the shooter just established the 9 as his point.

1. Current bets - $10 DP. Lay $30 odds. Place six and eight for $18 each. Total action - $76
2. Total left in rack - $424
3. Total bankroll - $500
4. Net win/loss - $0
5. Explanation of strategy: I am subscribing to the "don't bet the pass line until the shooter proves he can make a point" philosophy by playing the DP with odds. I use $30 odds because that amount just happens to work with any point the shooter establishes. On a higher limit table I'd lay $60 odds. I am placing the six and eight because they are the easiest numbers to roll. I am looking for one hit on the six and eight. After that first hit I will regress to $12 each on the six and eight and go "same bet" on the next hit. From that point on I will press every other hit on the six or eight - pressing only the number that rolls. If the shooter makes his pass on the nine I will switch to the right side and play Pass with $30 odds - again because it works with all point numbers. If the shooter establishes the six or eight as the point I will take down the point number and place that action on the next inside number not covered. Example, if the six becomes the point and I have $12 on the six I will lock up $2 and place the five for $10. If I have $18 on the six I will place the five for $15 - keeping the number of units in action the same as the bet I took down.

Okay, that's pretty much it. If any questions come up along the way post them on the thread. Let's use a RED font for those questions. If you don't know how to change the font color - just highlight the text you want to change the color on then click the color you want that text to be in the font colour chart to the right of the post box. TADA

Be sure to get your "bets" posted by 7PM daily. I will post the daily roll result sometime after 8PM and before 12 Midnight unless I find myself unable to access the computer for some reason or another. Be patient. Our technology out here in east Texas is pretty rustic.

Most of all - have fun and try to learn something in this exercise. And yeah, if one of you want's to play the strategy I just laid out above - knock yourself out.

Let's get those late bets in early.

[Roller123]

I assume you are starting tonight.

First bet is no bet. I'll wait until the shooter establishes his/her point.

1. Current bet $0
2. Total left in rack $500
3. Total bankroll $500
4. Net win/loss $0

Roller

[wudged]

1. Current bets - None. Total action - $0
2. Total left in rack - $500
3. Total bankroll - $500
4. Net win/loss - $0
5. Explanation of strategy - bypassing the come out roll

al_falcons:
1. Current Bets - None. Total action - $0
2. Total left in rack - $500
3. Total bankroll - $500
4. Net win/loss - $0
5. Explanation of strategy - bypassing the come out roll

[heavy]

Roller - first roll will be tonight (Monday) around 8PM.

Who will be the first person to venture in with a Line bet (either way). Play the Pass Line and on the Come Out you have the odds in your favor - 8 ways to win versus 4 ways to lose. Of course, once the Pass Line bet is established you're going to lose it something like 2 out of 3 times. That's why the Free Odds bet is so important. Bet enough in Free Odds and you'll ALMOST overcome those two losses in a random game.

Keep those bets coming, guys. Just FYI - this game will stretch beyond 30 rolls. Just how far remains to be seen.

[Aztek]

1. Current bets - None. Total action - $0
2. Total left in rack - $500
3. Total bankroll - $500
4. Net win/loss - $0
5. Explanation of strategy - bypassing the come out roll

Lay 10 - 100
World bet - 10
Hop hard 10 - 5

total bets - 117
left in rack - 383
total - 500
net - 0

Explanation of strategy - Take advantage of 7s and craps on the come out roll.
What I hope will happen - Take advantage of the strong earnings potential of 7s and craps on the comeout roll without locking up a passline bet. The only downside of this layout is an 5.58% chance of a easy 10. losses against a box number or point of 4 are acceptable.

[amish dude]

1. Current bets - don't pass + field Total action = $20p
1a $10 on don't pass
1b $10 on the field
2. Total left in rack - $480
3. Total bankroll - $480
4. Net win/loss - unknown factor at this point in time
5. Explanation of strategy playing the dark side come out roll

[DeadCat]

Take your $500 and Lay all 6 numbers, working on the come out. The remainder goes in the Field.

6 & 8 for $60 each = $120
5 & 9 for $75 each = $150
4 & 10 for $80 each= $160
Field = $70
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TOTAL BET =$500
IN RACK. = $000

Everything might change.
Really would like to see a come out 7

As I said before, I don't expect this to work, especially of Heavy picks long hands, but what the heck.

[acpa]

Dice Doctor, do approach.

no bet on come out, shooter not qualified,

noah

[heavy]

Noah - you are going to have to do better than that. I'll be glad to have you participate but you need to follow the format I set out. I'd wager that 80% of the guys on the forum don't have a clue what the Dice Doctor's do approach is. A better explanation of your philosophy would be appreciated.

I'll do the first roll an another hour or two to allow some more folks to jump in.

h

[Buy The Four]

1. Current bets: 150 buy 4 and 10/ 60 on 6 & 8/ 10 on all the hardways
2. Total left in rack: 60
3. Total bankroll - rack plus action: 500
4. Net win/loss as of current roll: To be determined
5. Brief explanation of your strategy: Going heavy on 4 & 10...and placing the even numbers. Replenish the hardways if the number rolls soft. Will press 4 & 10 only when rolled easy...6 & 8 full press only if rolled hard. Hardway will look like 10...25...50...150 when hit. Bets working one roll after point is established. Bets will also be off when indicators are present. (off when 11 is thrown, off when string of crap numbers are thrown)

[realtime]

1. Current bets: $20
2. Total left in rack: $480
3. Total bankroll - rack plus action: 500
4. Net win/loss as of current roll: N/A
5. Brief explanation

Come out roll $10 doey/don't bet. ($10 on PL and $10 on DP)

Second roll after point is established $105 Iron Cross ($25 5, $30 6, $30 8, $20 field)

Collect on three individual rolls

Take down Iron Cross bets

If point is 6 or 8, take single odds.

If point is 5,9,4, or 10 lay single odds

Play until a decision is made.

Run "system" only once per shooter.

[wudged]

Is this supposed to be a "tournament" or a legitimate strategy ?

On which bets is vig paid up front / on win?

[heavy]

Hey Wudged - play it how you want to. I'd like to see real world strategies but I suspect a lot of the guys will take a tournament approach. Of course, if this were a tournament everyone would be required to have a bet on the come out roll - but I'm easy. Speaking of which. Time do get a roll in:

Dice are out. Shooter has 'em. He rolls . . .

YO, Eleven. Pay the line and Field. Take the Don'ts.

Gentlemen, please update your bankroll and bets and explain what you're thinking as we go forward.

[realtime]

Do we update our original post or start a new one?

[Buy The Four]

No effect on my bets

[Aztek]

Current bets

100 lay 10
15 world (pressed one unit)
5 hop hard 10 (returns)

BR - 517
total bets - 122

An 11 is a good result for me. Its enough to press the world to 15 in case of a streak as well as restock the hard 10 hop and make a little profit.

Now we want a 2, 12 or 7!

[heavy]

Realtime - in the past (when I participated) I always cut and pasted my previous post forward - then made the appropriate changes to it rather than re-typing everything every time.

[DeadCat]

+$70 WTF Let's Parlay!

Lay bets Unchanged
Field now $140 That's a better size for this set up anyway.

[realtime]

1. Current bets: $20
2. Total left in rack: $480
3. Total bankroll - rack plus action: $500
4. Net win/loss as of current roll: 0
5. Brief explanation

Come out roll $10 doey/don't bet. ($10 on PL and $10 on DP)

Second roll after point is established $105 Iron Cross ($25 5, $30 6, $30 8, $20 field)

Collect on three individual rolls

Take down Iron Cross bets

If point is 6 or 8, take single odds.

If point is 5,9,4, or 10 lay single odds

Play until a decision is made.

Run "system" only once per shooter.

[acpa]

Shooter qualified
$10 pass line do
$490 in rack.

Noah