Press Betting

[stratocasterman]

I was interested in knowing your specific method of pressing your bets, specifically, the box numbers and if you do have an exact end goal. Do you press all the way to the SO? Regress? Take all bets down at some specific point? Take it all off the table and go back to your original bet at some certain point, rinse and repeat?

Also, I realize this is likely a two part question as you may press differently on a "randie" vs. yourself.

[London Shooter]

I've got a $10 table play where I bet even numbers only. Usually requires $30 to get going. $12 6& to start. First hit, Drop $6 and place the 4&10.

Now same bet for two hits, no matter what number. Depending on the hits you are essential level here, certainly no worse that $2 down.

The press 6&8 go to 18, 30 and 42. I'll stop at 42 and collect 50s for 1.

4&10 go 20, 30, 40, 50 and I'll stop there. Get a black for fiver.

Pretty rare I get to the 42 or 50 level, even rarer to collect.

I'll often use the same play on myself though passline and odds will change things. Also I may place the even numbers right off the bad if feeling good and press right off the bat too.

Regression? No, but what I am more likely to do is take a number or two down if I get "the feeling". I'm not a fan of the off/on guessing game, so for me taking some money off the table is better. That is going to be a number that hasn't hit or has gone to sleep. On my own throw if I am using hardways set or 3v then two craps numbers and I want to take some money down. If I'm using crossed 6s then craps numbers are a good thing.

[London Shooter]

To be clear, I don't press numbers in pairs, only as each hits.

[stratocasterman]

Thanks LS...betting the even numbers is interesting. I don't think I have ever seen that before but, I may not have been paying attention to it. Pressing a single number as it hits is a much better thing for me lately, as Heavy had suggested to me in another thread. All of a sudden I have found myself hitting a specific number back to back, repeatedly.

[AlamoTx]

What to do with your PL bet when you are rolling is always a question I have. In your even number scenario, what is the plan if you are rolling and your PL is a 5 for example. My instinct would be to place the 6 and 8 for $12 each and put single odds on the point. If 6 or 8 hits, drop $10 on the 9. Do the same if the PL point is 4 or 10.

What is the plan when your PL point is 6 or 8? How about $10 odds on the point and the sister at $18? First hit, drop $10 each on the 4 and 10.

All the betting strategies I see on this site seem to set up quite consistently except when you are the shooter. For example, I am amused when I try the 'heat seeking' 6/8 strategy as the shooter. Interestingly, as laid out, there is very little if any mention of how that strategy works when you are the shooter or what to do about the ever annoying craps numbers that invariably wreck your plans with the flat bets. 2, 3 and 12 always seem to roll when you're on the PL or the Come.

Bottom line pretty much ( IMO...so not preaching ), nothing works unless you get over ten rolls or so.

Alamo

[London Shooter]

The Wizard had a good take on things here when if the shooter and his PL ended up on a number he was already on he would leave place bet up. He's losing s touch on the HA but counters that with simplicity of keeping his place action within known press amounts. Also if you hit your point, this way you don't forget to put the number back up. I've certainly done that myself a few times. Not saying I play that way but it's a good approach when you think about it

[memo]

Bottom line pretty much ( IMO...so not preaching ), nothing works unless you get over ten rolls or so.

Alamo

Alamo,
You pretty much nailed that one...
If you also take into consideration the average hand length is 8.26 rolls (or something close to that).
A preponderance of hands end on the third or fourth roll.
You come to the realization that most hands are just that...Pretty short.

While brainstorming with Wizard, we came up with a strategy based on my particular risk tolerance and bankroll, designed for the short hand.
With ten paying box number hits, (that is a lot of hits) I can make several hundred dollars, depending on what repeats and still be poised for a longer hand. That is when the pressing gets fun.

I use this on myself and known shooters. It is risky, but works pretty well for my particular tolerances...
The heat seeker is a low risk way to follow the trend at the table. I think it is excellent for anyone. For low risk, you get safety and low profit. But if you are patient enough, it can pay off well on longer hands if you do not fall asleep and miss an opportunity, all the while loosing very little if not profiting in the process..

No preaching going on here....
However, no pressing progression does much good if you can't get profit off the table.

Memo

[DanF]

The major error in most strategies is that they try to get even with a single hand of the dice or two.

What will make you a winner in this game is to get a strategy that will profit early, for more then your investment, and will recover long gone losses, for a cheap start.

Which means, if you lost 150$ in the last 10 hand, your strategy is to go for 200$ early profit on a good short hand. I can profit 200-300 from a 12 roll hand most of the time.

Don't be scared to press early in the hand, you don't have to cover your bet before you press, you need to recover many past hands when you win. That is what will push you ahead in profits. And on a great night where everything hits, you will empty their chip rack.

[London Shooter]

Flesh it out with some numbers please Dan so we can mull it over.

[DanF]

Ya you always do.

6-8 to 18$ each (36$ inv + passline single odds if I throw)
First win drop 9$ take 15$ 5-9
Second win drop 3$ go to 30$ on 6-8.

Collect 3 hits same bet. Press every next hit 2-3 units, when it gets to 60$ start pressing half the bet.

At first you have 36$ invested until your bets are hit.
First hit you have 45$ in play, second 48$. And you are good with 90$ inside placed. Pays 35&21 so 3 hits gives you 63-105 payout. And you're hunting for more.
If you had good profits and are uncomfortable with the amount on table, regress to 66 inside.

Made me a grand last week. So it looks to be a good plan. Loss limit 300$. Use on skilled players only. On randoms just place 1 bet of 18 on 6 or 8 and build from it (or place the point for 20.

[stratocasterman]

Nice DanF...I like it

[DanF]

Also when throwing, if you devellop a tendency to roll a lot of points, when your pressed numbers get to 15-30-30-15, take your 3 collects and start pressing your pass line odds instead of the numbers for true odds payout. 15 pass full odds (3x4x5x) pays a nice 105$ so it's a nice idea to fill your odds and start pressing then.

[stratocasterman]

Very good...I increase my PL bet by 50% each pass. When I set a point again, I take whatever place bet money I had on that number and move it to odds.

I like your strategy because I most generally set a point of 6 or 8, and hit those numbers most of all, with the 3V set. Your method keeps me from stretching out my bets going across the inside initially (say the 5 or 9) and focuses more bet $ on my money numbers to get started.

Your strategy also is very simple and mechanical. I like that because I focus very heavily on the toss and get mixed up betting half the time.

Good stuff DanF!

[220Inside]

DanF, while I'm not a fan of pressing sister numbers, I like the mechanical nature of your play and spreading out early.

My variation on your play might be something like

$18 6/8
First hit: Press that number to $30, drop $1 and place 5/9 for $10 each

[DanF]

Everybody's got his plan, I gave you mine. Be creative, it's just a game after all. And God it is nice to win at it! LoL

My casino, the best games are 15$, that's where it was born from.

[DanF]

Today we had a 10$ table. I made two diffrent bettings:

18$ on 6 or 8 (one bet only) transition to 6-8 for 12$

On good shooters, 6&8 to 12$ each from start.

On next win drop 6$ for 5-9 to 10$ each.

Collect two. For 28 cost is 30$, then drop 8$ to press all insides. Collect two bets, press inside for 1$, collect 1 bet, press inside for 1 unit each and take all hardways for 2$ each. On a hard 6-8 go to 15, on a hard 4-10 drop 6$ to go to 10$ 4 or 10, 10$ on hard. On an other hard win press to 25, then 100-400-1000.

For easy bets replace hardways first. Press 2 units on every hit.

[DanF]

Had an upswing of 425$ and sevened out with 150$ on table. With 4th point lighted up,full odds on point lol.

Made a 35+ roll session saver, after a very ugly session...

12 5's and 10 8's in the same hand. Rolled all the boxes numerous times

[stratocasterman]

Excellent DanF! Thanks to all for the info.

[London Shooter]

Thanks for the detail Dan and I can see what you mean when you say the play was designed for a $15 table which is a good one to remember for upcoming Vegas trips.

[heavy]

I think I mentioned on another thread that I'm doing a lot of single number presses these days. First I'll give you my press moves by the number. We'll start with $96 Across - $15 each on the outside numbers and $18 each on the six and eight.

Fours and/or Tens: $15 - $25 - $50 - $100 - $250 - $500 - $1000 - $2500 - $5000

Not that you're locking up cash on every hit even though you are pressing every hit. I only press every hit like this if my dominant press number is the four or ten. I press every other hit on inside numbers.

Five and/or Nine: $15 - $35 - take - $75 - take - $150 - take - $350 - take - $750 - take - $1500 - take - $3500 - take - $7500

Okay, that series takes 16 hits to get to the neighborhood of table max. You get there in half the time if you press every hit, but you don't lock up as much along the way with the inside numbers. Honestly, if I get to the $350 level and collect $500 for $10 I can be completely happy for as long as the hand stretches on.

Six and/or Eight: $18 - $42 - take - $90 - take - $180 - take - $420 - take - $900 - take - $1800 - take - $4200 - take - $9000

Now this is interesting because I've made it to $4200 a couple of times in recent years but never gotten a hit at that level. I think I could be relatively happy at $900 - collecting $1050 and giving the dealers a $50 toke on every hit at that level, but what the hell. Let's get greedy.

I think the smart way to approach this sort of press series is to take what the table gives you and run with it - so I'd press the FIRST number the shooter tosses after establishing the point. Everything else stays at the initial three unit level until they're "paid for." The other caveat I've added is simply removing bets that aren't "paying their rent" after a few tosses. Let's say the shooter is six numbers into a hand, has tossed two fours and I'm pressed up to $50 on it. He's also tossed two sixes, and eight , a ten, and a couple of trash numbers. I just might go ahead and take the five and nine down. They haven't rolled yet and are behind the curve when it comes to catching up and getting pressed. I'd rather have the money in my rack at that point. I can always put them back up if they start to show.