"The Great Math Mystery"

[heavy]

Available on Youtube if you guys are interested. Here's a link:

http://www.pbs.org/video/nova-great-math-mystery/

[six shooter]

Irish...you watch to much CNN fake news.

[Moe Bettor]

Don't think the discovery of the "God" particle proves anything regarding religion one way or the other. In fact the PBS show made a point of pushing the idea that the math is not discovering anything. It is only uncovering what is already there and we just pull away the stones to find incredible stuff. Aristotle's idea that we don't actually create anything that isn't already an ideal of the thing..which is an argument for a grand designer is it not? Which seems to back up some theological writings for the less analytical. The idea that you can predict what the dice will do in a short session from a random shooter is complete nonsense, yes. Yet proponents of chaos theory do believe that there are patterns within random ocurrences, don't they? Like Mandelbrot?

[Moe Bettor]

Agreed. A woman once told me at a craps table when I was on the don't, "If anybody is alone in the universe, it's you." That,my amigos, is as good as it gets.

[heavy]

LOL. Good one, Nick. And a lot of the time (for me) it's damned near accurate.

[memo]

Obie1

That is a fascinating program..
I must admit that I am a bit fuzzy about the betting strategy you have espoused...
Will you please draw some lines and connect the dots a bit...?

These ideas in the program are not new..Just incredible.
I know you are not using Fibonacci sequence, that Heavy discusses quite frequently..
Surely you are not basing strategy on electro magnetic waves or how Pluto is affecting Uranus in its orbit.

What sound mathematical formula expressed in the program are you using...Or are you using your observations to develop new math discoveries.

I am not trying to be obtuse, but I can not see the correlation.

Memo
Ugh!
I wrote this before reading Irish' s reply...Now that is obtuse..However
I am still interested in your answer. I do want to understand your position. You see, I also cannot understand how Heavy reads a table the way he does, but he does... (I believe there are Fibonacci spirals in Heavy's brain going forward and backward, I also believe that if you put him into a cat scan machine you would see red and green dice hitting lightly on his pineal gland bouncing forward before hitting lightly against his forehead and rolling back and coming to rest in the parietal lobe area)
OK...With that being said...
In the absence of some explanation from you....I have to fall squarely in line with Irish.

[tonybugs]

Irish, your the best! Love how you belittle people( and get away with it!).
Obie has been quiet lately, nice to see he’s still at it.

Tonybugs

[Buy The Four]

Memo,

I can't speak for "The Strategy," but I do have Steve Nelli's "Method."

I have to agree with Irish when it comes to math. I don't think the Method or the Strategy are backed by any math that makes their systems/methods/strategy overcome any house edge and swing it to the player's favor like card counting does. You hear the word "balance", "trend", "come to order" a lot when you see systems with charting being sold. There are definitely some good betting principles, bankroll management, and betting "ideas" with The Method, but I don't think any of it is profound.

Some of the players I have played with through years are pretty astute at figuring out which number is most likely to roll based on dice set, toss, and dice reaction to the table. Heavy has seen thousands and thousands of rolls...calling out numbers or predicting a 7 will roll next is not voodoo. In fact, I bet all of us on this board have thought to ourselves, "I should pull my bets down because the next roll is going to be 7." Or, "I bet you the next roll is a hard eight." and have been spot on with our intuitions.

I am probably getting off topic here. But to respond to Obie1, I think the video makes me totally regret ever buying The Method; and it definitely steers me away from ever buying "The Strategy." Plus, playing with players who play either system is really bothersome to me. Is there a mathematical equation for buyers remorse??? I guess (b = -$2500)...but again, I am not a mathematician.

[six shooter]

The difference is, we tell people to come out to see for themselves before buying it. We have put on live on line demonstrations using a (RNG) random number generator. There are patterns in randomness and there is not a member after learning "The Strategy" who would dispute it. We have many members who came over from the method crew who will tell you there is no comparison. Lou encourages any person interested to come and match his bets, if he does not win 9 out of 10...don't buy it.

[London Shooter]

I'm with Irish fully on this. Nobody can use maths to prove any system/strategy/whatever has an edge over the game of craps.

The game is based on short pays for each bet, even an odds bet needs an initial bet on which true value isn't paid. No voodoo is over coming these short pays long term. It simply cannot work on a fair game that is random....and that's if we just look at the lowest edge bets. Start throwing in hardways and hops and the short pays will eat your bankroll even quicker.

[Moe Bettor]

The way we predict a hand is possibly about to end is only through degradation of the DI throw and we're not always right, but you can't lose money responding to sudden appearances of 3 or 2..or 12 far into a roll when the dice set is, for example, V3. It means the dice are not on axis any more, or the landing zone is not being hit, etc. Other indicators are the preferred numbers go to sleep. I've been next to Heavy at a table in Tunica and we both called off bets..as I remember and the seven showed. Granted that's not in any way written in stone. Sample size required, but it is what it is and it has saved BK. Bring me down on everything packs your rail nicely.

[six shooter]

Lou you were right, the over/under was 30 minutes for a Irish attack. You win.

[heavy]

If you want to tell people that Jesus rode his dinosaur to the last supper and told the apostles "short term trends" are real, knock yourself out.

Silly Irish. Everybody knows Jesus rode in on a flying saucer and told the apostles "bacon is good."

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[Moe Bettor]

Ok here! Jesus was a rabbi. I'm pretty sure he didn't eat bacon, but I wasn't there. And I'm guessing you-all weren't there either. So we have to rely on some carefully selected hearsay testaments by people writing years after his life..who weren't there either! Do the math on this one. But it's a fait accompli because people need magic in their lives..craps players more than some. Someone said the proof that prayer doesn't work is a bunch of craps players around a table praying for their number to hit. And so humans, ever the resourceful inventive people they are..finally come to grips with reality and invent DI. Amen and have a blessed day.

[wild child]

Ok here! Jesus was a rabbi. I'm pretty sure he didn't eat bacon, but I wasn't there. And I'm guessing you-all weren't there either. So we have to rely on some carefully selected hearsay testaments by people writing years after his life..who weren't there either! Do the math on this one. But it's a fait accompli because people need magic in their lives..craps players more than some. Someone said the proof that prayer doesn't work is a bunch of craps players around a table praying for their number to hit. And so humans, ever the resourceful inventive people they are..finally come to grips with reality and invent DI. Amen and have a blessed day.

Dark Side Prayer:
Hail Mary full of grace
Please send the SIX along with THE ACE
.
This prayer is said to be answered 16.666666 % of the time...

[Moe Bettor]

Good one. I guess you have to take into consideration counter-active right side prayers going off at the same time. So maybe there's this ethereal static which interrupts the dark side prayer and neither side has a big outcome. Or it's all nonsense. Excuse me..I have to hop the 4, 5 and 9 for $60. Back shortly.

[heavy]

Question: 1.77245385091?

Feel free to answer below. Sorry, no Google (or other search engine) searches allowed. Math guys?

[DarthNater]

I thought Jesus came to dinner in the Millennium Falcon?

Someone saved Admiral Ackbar for another trap last year........... Wasn't me. I was at the tables, executing Darth's Don't Grind (the DDG - aka the Sith Saber Swallower, aka S-cubed). I've got no more math for it - than any of the other guys but - but trust me - it works - sometimes.........

D.N8r

[heavy]

As to math mysteries . . . I have, on occasion, mentioned the fact that "every toss of the dice brings you one roll closer to the seven." Stanford Wong used to delight in telling me I was wrong - that after every roll of the dice I was still theoretically six more rolls away from the seven. Of course, we were both right. Or were we both wrong? I know. The dice are going to roll seven on the mean, which is three. But wait . . .

[Moe Bettor]

Ok. I know what 1.772453, etc. is, but I have no idea what the relevance really is to craps. To picking lottery numbers..seems bogus anyway. Enlighten us oh purveyor of math stuff.