"The Great Math Mystery"

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Question: 1.77245385091?

Feel free to answer below. Sorry, no Google (or other search engine) searches allowed. Math guys?

[DarthNater]

I thought Jesus came to dinner in the Millennium Falcon?

Someone saved Admiral Ackbar for another trap last year........... Wasn't me. I was at the tables, executing Darth's Don't Grind (the DDG - aka the Sith Saber Swallower, aka S-cubed). I've got no more math for it - than any of the other guys but - but trust me - it works - sometimes.........

D.N8r

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As to math mysteries . . . I have, on occasion, mentioned the fact that "every toss of the dice brings you one roll closer to the seven." Stanford Wong used to delight in telling me I was wrong - that after every roll of the dice I was still theoretically six more rolls away from the seven. Of course, we were both right. Or were we both wrong? I know. The dice are going to roll seven on the mean, which is three. But wait . . .

[obie1]

I often get solicitations from various Christian charities throughout the year... Joyce Meyers.com, Loving Grace Ministries.com, Catholic Charities.com, Salvation Army ....etc., etc. .

They all include a "prayer request card".

I fill it out..., and always respond with the same prayer request... ;

"I want to be like Jesus..., I want to be able to turn water into wine...." .

I don't know if they find it amusing or not.

At least the Charities that solicit me are not trying to prove that they are "holy"' by killing people.... .

So, I support them.

Obie1

[Moe Bettor]

Ok. I know what 1.772453, etc. is, but I have no idea what the relevance really is to craps. To picking lottery numbers..seems bogus anyway. Enlighten us oh purveyor of math stuff.

[mssthis1]

Question: 1.77245385091?

Feel free to answer below. Sorry, no Google (or other search engine) searches allowed. Math guys?

I had to cheat on that one. I have a bad or good habit depending on who you ask of decluttering my brain of information I never use.

Since we're talking about math can someone refresh my memory on the mean number of rolls for a pass line bet to be resolved one way or the other?

[Knick111]

HEAVY, OBIE, IRISH,
I saw the video AND i still don't know how much is 2 plus 2 . Jaime.

[obie1]

Jamie 1943...

That's easy.... it's 4.... in this universe.

In a parallel universe.. it might be 3....,

or perhaps 1.772453...,

or perhaps 1.77245385091

or any other number you can imagine.

That's the wonderful thing about math..., the rules could be changed due to the variables in what we perceive as reality.

For example: unbeknownst to most people: time and space actually varies ever so slightly depending on our speed of movement .

So, if you are traveling in a jet verses walking, you are actually aging ever so slightly slower than the person walking or standing still.

That is why Nasa and the U.S space agency deduct a second (or 2) from their global positioning satellites to compensate for time distortion due to velocity.

Obie1

[Knick111]

April 14 2018..

Obie, what would happen to a man if you froze him And send him in a space ship to another planet , and he wakes up in 100 years?

[Operator]

Come on guys the answer is and a great computer the greatest computer know to mere mortal man gave the answer its 42.The answer to life

[obie1]

April 14 2018..

Obie, what would happen to a man if you froze him And send him in a space ship to another planet , and he wakes up in 100 years?

Really Jaime...,

Truly: you have gone where nobody has gone before...

In the U.S. ... it is illegal to "freeze" people... .

I don't own a space ship..., so I couldn't send him to another planet.

... If he awakes in 100 years..., I have no idea what will happen..., since I will have been dead for quite a long time.

You must have watched the movie: "The Last Air bender..." on sale at Walmart.Com for $5.67.

Obie1

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Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. Good one, Operator. Obie, your observations about time/space reality remind me of a line from a novel I wrote (but never sold) back in the 90's. Unfortunately, I've forgotten the quote. Time, alas, having another undesired effect. I once knew a teenager who thought he was going to grow up to be an airbender. That's what I want to be. A poorly drawn cartoon. He must be at least in his mid-20's by now. For those of you who have not figured it out - it's the square root of pi. No, we don't need any "pi are round" comments. Four.

[mssthis1]

The math is static.

Disclaimer: I use strategy's every time I play craps as does everyone. Deciding whether to play or not is a strategy.

What happens when we use strategy's is we're hoping to catch the desired side of probability on the current and future rolls by at least partially basing our decision on prior results.

The six that rolled on the previous roll or the next roll pays 7 to 6 no matter what. The thing that changes is we may or may not have money riding on it or against it.

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"Twaddle." Sounds like the name of some local beer brewed in the hills and hollows of Washington DC.

[skasower]

Oh how I hate to wade into this discussion. But...I have to say that Irish, while hard ass as hell here, is dead-on correct. I do not claim any deep understanding of probability theory but I do understand that any "projections" made based on that theory contain a "ceterus paribus" assumption. For those who don''t feel like running to the Google to find out what ceterus paribus means, let's simply say that it means "holding all else constant."

So, let's take our probability theory to the craps table for a one hour session. Ok DI aficionados, is one hour long enough to effect a total random set of dice tosses? Is one table the same as another and their impact on your one hour of tossing? Did the cocktail waitress with the D cup take your attention just as you were in your rhythm? All of these variables and so many more, like temperature of the room, do you have to take a dump, are the other players irritating or too loud, did your teenager get into a fight with your wife while you are out of town tossing dice? All these variables...all impacting your toss. And yet, there are folks (apparently some who have posted on this topic) who believe that they have a methodology that overcomes impacts to randomness such that their math makes betting strategies predictable given the random game. I do not need to spank these folks. Irish is doing a really good job of it here. But, I ask you the casual reader to consider why occasionally you notice trends at the craps table. Did those trends really occur? Yes, if you blundered into sinking some chips into the play, your chip collection has grown. Other times, you are not so lucky.

Here we have impact to the long term randomness of dice tossing. Oh, one more point about it. Casinos have gone out of their way to try to steer our tosses into random events with no impact or "influence." However, their methods are not perfect and as such we observe that over your hour of tossing, you have indeed not been random. That is to say, that probability theory would have so many of each number tossed in that hour except that one hour may not be long enough as I said earlier. So even chicken feeders can toss long hands.

Thus, I would not expect any betting methodology to rely on probability mathematics to do so with a straight face. Please don't spend money on such an approach. You would do better to try hard to "listen to your gut" that a trend is now happening at your craps table and heroically bet those funds on that trend. Remember, we are attempting to find the portions of time during dice tossing where there simply was not enough time to reach randomness, luck is with us and you have practiced enough to toss with minimal off axis rolls.

Does this sound like total bullshit to you? Well, remember a couple of things. First, I retired as a University Professor whose Ph. D. is in Economics. So BFD! That gives me only a modicum of arrogance to assert what I just asserted. The second thing I would like you to remember is something Albert Einstein said (and he knew a little about mathematics and probability theory):

Alber said:
"Not everything that counts can be counted. And not everything that can be counted counts." I believe that DI is attainable and I believe that the laws of Probability require that we hold all kind of phenomena constant in order to effect the mathematics of probability. Thus, you should find periods of time at the craps table where the tosses are not fitting a random pattern. So, good for you and your gambling budget if you correctly identify that happening in front of you, and so much for betting strategies that rely of the predictability of mathematics.

OK, let the browbeating begin...

skasower...aka...( and make note of it)...

[six shooter]

All I can say is all of the arm chair experts on "The Strategy" have been invited to on line demonstrations, as well as live table demonstrations with Obie demonstrating his betting techniques. They did not attend the live presentations but profess to know all about it...so sad. The only person ever willing to do a live on line presentation, live table demonstrations and saying if he does not win 9 out of 10 craps session....don't buy it. Don't venture out for the truth, stay in your sanctuary city and be well protected from the truth.

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Well, there you go. All sides including the humorous one. I think this post has gone about as far as it needs to. Thanks for your input, gents. Let's put it to bed now.