What is OHCM?

[Dicepops]

Been off the site regularly. Saw Heavy's recent post about $25 play at Rio. Quick search of site and couldn't find specifics of the OHMC play. Sounds like DP and 6/8 regression?
How do you all incorporate OHMC into your other play and all?

Pops

[Dicepops]

HEAVY says...

One hit can't miss. I'm playing it with $25 on the DP and 24 each six and eight. If you get one hit on the six or eight you cannot lose on that hand. It's a play Shootitall came up with.

[heavy]

That is correct
I same bet the first hit then press everyother hit after. How you play after that one hot is up to you. Also, if the six or eight is the point and you have it on the DP you still place it

[Dicepops]

You've said that you are playing OHCM at $25 level and thinking of trying $100 level.

What other levels have you guys tried? $5, $10, $15, etc???

Thinking of tip-toeing in at a lower than $25 level.

DP

[wild child]

You've said that you are playing OHCM at $25 level and thinking of trying $100 level.

What other levels have you guys tried? $5, $10, $15, etc???

Thinking of tip-toeing in at a lower than $25 level.

DP

D P
As with any wagering ploy , prior to diving in head first so to speak into
the shallow end of the pool, punch up the numbers on your handy dandy pocket calculator

Whatever the TOTAL $ U S D value of the gamble multiply the number of trials
your economy is able to underwrite without bumping into financial ruin.....
$5...$10...$15....$25.................$500
You know the drill...

There are reasons large numbers of players do not start out a casino visit at $ BLACK Chip Level..
.....Might go to green chip from Jump Street on occasion
However Factor them occasions ain't frequent for this elderberry..........

Sadly
Mathematics rules the day until we can afford to ignore the subject

just me saying

w c

[220Inside]

FYI, I moved this entire thread from the "Before registering, read here first" forum to the Betting Strategies forum, as it seems a like a much more appropriate place for a discussion on OHCM and betting levels.

Carry on...

[Dicepops]

Thanks WC,

Was looking for more simplified starting number pairs(E.G. - $25 DP with $24 6/8). So what 6/8 place bets work best with $5 DP, $10 DP, etc.

$6 6/8 with $5 DP? $12 6/8 with $10 DP?? $12 6/8 with $15 DP, etc. While I could play around with numbers on my own, I was hoping someone could provide a shortcut...

[crapsjourney]

Any of those, it’s still a solid play that’s hard to beat.

I personally also like and use $10DP with $6 six and eight on all players unless I’ve seen them shoot before and think they can make something happen.

And sometimes I warm up with this play on myself.

[Dicepops]

Thanks Aaron! I'll give it a go next trip downtown, eh.

Pops

[heavy]

The lowest starting level I can imagine for OHCM is on a $5 game. Bet $6 on the DP. Once a point is established bet $6 each on the six and eight - even if the six or eight is the point. Get one hit and you'll win $7. You cannot lose from that point.

Running through a few examples:

$10 game - $12 DP plus $12 each six and eight
$15 game - $18 DP plus $18 six and eight OR $24 DP plus $24 each six and eight
$25 game - $30 DP plus $30 six and eight

When playing a $15 table at Caesars I played $25 on the DP plus $24 each six and eight. First hit paid $28 and guaranteed a $3 profit for the hand.

If I were going to play at the $100 level I'd play $100 on the DP and bet $90 each on the six and eight, guaranteeing a $5 win on one hit.

Of course, the key to turning a profit at this play is to get two hits early on. That puts you well ahead and in position to press. That's where the real money is made. But remember, at the end of the day this is a GRIND PLAY. Kudos to SIA for sorting it out.

[r_ventura_23]

I play this way but i do it on the DC after the point is made. I just prefer not to get nanged by multiple 7s before the point is established. Also it is nice to when the point is made and you dont lose your DC and then they roll a come out 7 and you win the DC.

[Dicepops]

I play this way but i do it on the DC after the point is made. I just prefer not to get nanged by multiple 7s before the point is established. Also it is nice to when the point is made and you dont lose your DC and then they roll a come out 7 and you win the DC.

So? Do you place the 6/8 and DC all together once the point is set? Don't you still have to dodge a 7-11 on DC? And 7 wipes out all?

[r_ventura_23]

No. DC then place 6&8.

[London Shooter]

The DC angle to this is a good twist and stops you getting in a rut via a load of come out 7s

[heavy]

I agree - unless you are betting against Randy. In that case the seven can just as easily show on roll 2 as roll 1. We just suffer from confirmation bias when we get knocked off by the seven. I don't recall getting knocked off by any sevens while in Vegas last week, but I did get knocked off by several come out elevens.

[stratocasterman]

We just suffer from confirmation bias when we get knocked off by the seven.

It took me awhile but, I finally did get a grasp on the confirmation bias thing.

At the table, I don't think we really get enough trials to make a good basis on the DP play in a session. Also, IMO, I think switching back and forth from DP to PL in a session, also helps build the bias.

I run scores of simulations and strategies in Wincraps. The DP is one of them I use a lot! It is there that I really realized that the 2&3 show just as much as the 7&11 do. If not, it is so close it isn't worth mentioning.

Besides, the 12 is a push on the DP too so that makes it even better IMO.

[heavy]

Well, the seven and eleven will show up eight times versus three times for the two and three, so . . . it's not EVEN close. Let's say you and I go throw some random dice. You win $5 every time the two or three roll. I win $5 every time the seven or eleven roll. I'm going to win on average $40 for every $15 you win. That is worth mentioning.

[mssthis1]

Heavy: Lets pretend for a minute that you're going to try and seriously supplement your income by playing OHCM daily or several times a week.

When the six/eight hit the first time would you take them down and wait for a resolution on the DP before starting over, leave them up until you recouped your investment then press, or something different?

[dork]

What do you do if the shooter makes his point? Let's say you have a $30 DP 4 w/$30 on the 6/8 and he bullfrogs. What's the strategy then, take down the 6&8? or let them ride and DC?

[220Inside]

OHCM can also be used as a transition play, so I would likely leave the 6/8 up, stay off the DP and see how the roll develops. If the shooter gets a couple more rolls into the hand and I'm not feeling his chances of the hand continuing, I might toss out a DC and transition back into OHCM or just take down the 6/8 bets.