Roulette - Heavy's Sit-Down Game of Choice

[Moe Bettor]

I think you are right about the double zero wheel. Double street quad bet is a four unit bet. Two chips cover four streets, one chip covers four numbers not covered by the double streets and the last chip covers a number of choice outside the others. The problem for me with this way of playing is I simply don't make enough for what I put out. A single street pays 11 for 1. So I go 6 streets putting out $30 to win say $55. On the quad I've got 4 bets to win either $25 or so or $40 or..if I hit the single number $175. Yes, you cover more numbers with the quad so it comes down to how you want to approach the game. I give it a hundred and goodbye. With the quad you can build a bankroll more slowly. Maybe. But there is no way to assure anything with roulette unless you know of a biased wheel or dealer. But the suits upstairs become instantly aware of that situation nowadays.

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But there is no way to assure anything with roulette unless you know of a biased wheel or dealer. But the suits upstairs become instantly aware of that situation nowadays.

I think bias is much easier to determine than most would think. I also believe the book of decisions required to identify short-run bias (dealer influenced) is much easier to identify. Assuming the tote board is correct (which is a big assumption) you can pick up the last 20 or so decisions. If you're at the craps table just re-check the roulette tote board every stick change to keep up with the numbers. Easy to pick up on the repeaters and repeating sections from there.

Probably the easiest machines to beat, though, are going to be the electronic roulette games - you know the ones - a central wheel surrounded by multiple betting stations. Many of these machines are essentially slot machines. The "rng" generates the winning number as soon as the ball is sent spinning around the wheel. Through a combination of air bursts, electro magnets, and braking the ball is "steered" into the "winning" tray. A savvy player who knows what to look for can beat these games - in a sense the same way I've been beating reel slots the last five or six years.

[Jonah]

Venetian Rolls Out Triple Zero Roulette

"Venetian has a new game on its casino floor. It is called “Sands Roulette.”...

Sands Roulette has three zeros on the wheel and felt. All other roulette tables in Las Vegas have one or two zeros. The payout for each Sands Roulette wager is the same as it would be at a double zero table.

The house edge for Sands Roulette is 7.69%. The only extra spots on the felt are the triple zero, which uses the Sands logo, and a green spot where players may bet all three zeros. That pays 11-1, just as any other three-spot street pays."

So, is Sheldon Adelson marketing this particular game toward those neurodevelomentally challenged people that also play 6:5 BlackJack? Or does he just need a few billion more?

complete article:

http://www.onlineunitedstatescasinos.co ... ette-4541/

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That's nucking futts.

[mssthis1]

18 months or so I was playing craps at the Venetian on a Sunday morning. Table wasn't anything spectacular but I was holding my own and was ahead a couple hundred. The graveyard crew was fantastic. The table I was on had a pad under the felt so occasionally the dice would dead cat and not hit the back wall. That crew never said a word about it all morning.

New crew shows up at noon. First toss with new crew and stick critter says, "both dice have to hit the back wall harder" I colored in and haven't been back.

Now that I've found how good the playing conditions are at Sams Town and the East side Cannery, I won't be playing much on the strip in the future.

[London Shooter]

This thread is worth a bump every once in a while if you are looking for a game to play whilst on a break from craps.

I don't like the 00 one bit on the American wheel, but I do like the pace of play. If you are using a consistent strategy as outlined at the start of the thread then there are worse things you can do whilst relaxing, grabbing a drink, spending the time of day with nice smelling fellow players

We have single 0 and favourable rules on the outside bets. Our one downside is they love to spin that ball. Get the payouts done and spin the ball. No waiting for the players to fumble with their bets whilst they drink and gossip. So our pace of play is a good reason to have a simple consistent strategy you can easily remember and get your chips placed in time.

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Agreed. We're going to be adding roulette and baccarat to our betting strategy classes this year. Looking forward to giving you guys some decent sit-down options. Also, in the back of my mind I have a new book formulating. "Play Like a Pro" or something like that. Covering about a half dozen casino games, how to play them and (with a little luck) walk with a win.

[London Shooter]

They have a European single zero table in the Cromwell now for $25 minimum + a stack of other "better than normal strip" games: 3/2 BJ, 25c full pay VP and of course their well documented 100x odds craps game.

[Bankerdude80]

Hey LS, have they brought in new VP machines? Last time I ran through there looking at the VP machines all I could find were 8/5 JoB? It has been a while since I've done that though. The last few times I just stopped to recon the craps tables.

[London Shooter]

They have a bank of 2 x 4 full pay machines near the entrance to the strip, or just over to right of craps tables if you come in via that same entrance. Has 9/6 job, (as well as full pay bonus poker and I think their deuces wild pays something like 99.7) but as stated is only for 25c and single play. Plus it's $50 coin in for 1 tier credit so isn't for everybody.

Machines have been there around 18 months from memory now. Good place for a bit of low level VP whilst drinking for me given the excellent CW service there.

If you want similar in Bilox by the way, there is a similar 2 x 4 bank of 9/6 job tucked away on the second floor of the IP.

[skasower]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/08/obit ... at-86.html

Richard Jarecki, a roulette master passes. He was a pretty interesting character.

skasower

[mssthis1]

Friday night the wife and I went to Prairie Meadows to eat, collect their giveaway trinket and use our free play.

When we first walked in one of the craps table only had one player at Left hook so I stopped there and bought in at SR1 after he made his point of nine. made a pass line bet and my standard across bet. He rolled one number and seven out. In the meantime someone bought in at SO right and they were also 1 number and out. I give it a try and PSO. By now 5 or six people have bought in so I bail.

Played Black Jack 1 on 1 for about an hour and the table I was at I was able to watch the Electronic Roulette. It was 70% red the whole time I was watching until finally there was 3 0 and 00 in 10 rolls and then 3 black in a row, first time for the Black to do anything more than a single in a long time.

When I saw that I left Black Jack with half my craps loss recouped and put $200 plus my free play, $25, in the roulette machine. Bet $30 on Black. Won 2 bets and then had a no action hand because I couldn't decide what to do and it was a 0. Went back to $30 black, won 1 more bet and bailed since I was even for the day.

I know it doesn't matter in the long run but, I like to play the "it's due" on the Electronic Roulette when I can watch it long enough to get some history.

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That is certainly a big part of the key to winning on the electronic wheels. Lately I've noticed an inordinate number of greens (0 or 00) showing up on my local "air ball" machine and that has me concerned that they may have tweaked the software. Remember, even though there is a real wheel with a real marble spinning around - the air ball machines are basically slots. The decision on what number is going to "win" is made when the bell is pushed into play by a blast of air. The machine controls what sector the ball drops in with a combination of braking and ball speed control. A magnet in the "winning" number's tray does the rest. Yeah, it's random - within the programming of the RNG - which of course means it's not random.

[London Shooter]

Given this are you in effect saying the house edge on the above game can be set to above the standard 5.5x% that you see on a standard 00 wheel?

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I believe the long run house edge is programmed properly in the RNG. It still generates "random" numbers. However, it's programmed to produce a certain percentage of losers at the same time. At least that's my opinion. BTW, with a little noodling around in Google you can actually find and download a copy of the patent on the air ball roulette machine, which includes a schematic that shows how the whole thing works. I found it very enlightening.

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I should add to my last post that the air ball roulette games (mfg. by Interblock) are all linked on-line to some off-site computer in the sky - AND - they are quite subject to streaking and clumping. The best tool on that machine is the decision history, which is displayed on the board. The best tool you can have is what I call a "flattened wheel" tracking sheet. There are dozens of versions available on-line for anyone with a little experience with Google, but I'll send you to this one, which is very similar to the tracking sheet we provide in Xploitation Roulette:

https://www.roulettephysics.com/wp-cont ... iasin4.jpg

Although that website, roulettephysics.com, is primarily concerned with demonstrating wheel bias, I consider "machine bias" to be essentially the same thing on the air ball machines. Hence the clumping and streaking.

Soooo, now that I've given away a significant portion of Xploitation Roulette I expect to hear tales about how some of you are beating the game.

[sharkbyte]

One year I was in Reno for the ABC National Bowling Tournament. I was down to my last $50, or so, and not looking forward to not being able to afford to eat the next day. Walking back to my room I passed a roulette table, and thought i saw a pattern. Played $20 on that pattern, for what ended up being all night, and finished up $700. Also won $1700 at Mohegan Sun, later, with a loss on my last spin dropping about $600.

What I was playing were the double streets from 7-30. 4 of them, which pay 6 on a hit. After a few wins in a row going up on the bet. Since then I've learned more about the game, and obviously realize that much of what I hit was just variance.

But I will still play this, though it takes a pit with several tables. i look for a table with what would be 3 or 4 misses in a row, then move in and bet. I hit more than i lose, and sometimes on a loss will go back with a 3-unit bet. But hit and run.

Other times, if I see a lot of good numbers coming up I will sit and play a single table hoping to ride the streak.

Have not had much luck, with any of the electronic tables, playing this way

[Rock Star]

If i bet $1 on the Boxcars and win, press all of it twice more would'nt i win someting like $27,000 on a 1 dollar investment ?

[sharkbyte]

Hitting a single number, 3 times, in roulette would pay $42k.

3 times, 2/12 props, I think would be $27k

[London Shooter]

Sharkbyte - I often pay double streets as part of my strategy on roulette. It may amuse you to hear I once found a dealer in Laughlin who was paying double on each hit - 12 units instead of 6, right under the nose of the boss who was too busy talking to my other half with great interest about the Royal family. This happened 5 or 6 times before he finally caught an overpayment