Where's the Dark Side Love ??

[DarthNater]

Thanks eastcoast,
I was actually only one for five on transition that day. To the point I just sat on the DP or DC. My rule of thumb is for every lap around the table, one guy will get something going and you have to watch. But hey, sometimes you miss it, sometimes you chase the opposite way and get shredded and sometimes it lines up. For rough math - the 4 failed attempts cost 4 x $60 = $240 against a $105 hit, plus a few more besides; And I got back all my presses since I turned off. It was really the only EDE of the day, but glad I picked up on the vibe, D.N8r

[memo]

Dn8'r

I really like your detail and step by step decision making process. I know of very few people that can read the table like that. There are some (Nellie types) that have some success, however I feel it is more due to the fact that they are 'off' more than they are 'on'...To this day, I do not believe that seeing a hard 10 and going 'off', is an example of anything else other than voodoo....

I gain insight every report you make.
Memo

[stratocasterman]

D.N8r...always great info from you! I have lately shied away from the craps table, due to things either being way cold or no place to play at the one singular table here you know. I suppose I have really forgot about the Darkside play.

I'm inspired again! I'll find a spot at the table next time and play some Darkside if things look good following your play.

[DarthNater]

Dn8'r

I really like your detail and step by step decision making process. I know of very few people that can read the table like that. There are some (Nellie types) that have some success, however I feel it is more due to the fact that they are 'off' more than they are 'on'...To this day, I do not believe that seeing a hard 10 and going 'off', is an example of anything else other than voodoo....

I gain insight every report you make.
Memo

Memo,
It wasn't the hard ten that triggered me, as I was trying to spread to the 4 & 10 after getting good hits on the 6 & 8; I called bets off due to the bozo disturbance at the other end of the table. It was just me trying to protect my gains from an EDE. More like luck instead of voodoo, and this time I'd say good guess, N8

[Seattlerick]

Nice transition. Only problem is that this table was the equivalent to a 35-45 roll for the right side. You do not find very many tables,as in almost never, that are that cold and do not have an incredible amount of sevens and elevens on the come outs. We need some trip reports for tables that happen far more often, like most that are unplayable. Understanding what an unplayable table looks like, so you can walk away or wait to play later ,is maybe the most important skill of all. Transition moves are necessary skills also, just not called for at very many tables

[DarthNater]

Hi Dn8r,

You stated, ..."I get the dice & shoot from the don't. It's been about 45 minutes, and I start with a 7, reload to $35, set a 10. Go up on the 6 & 8 at $30 each, hit the eight twice and then seven out. my toss looked ok, but couldn't seem to hit the same spot."...

In this situation after setting a point of 10, are you using a set to 7-out, or are you using a set to hit the 6&8?

Scout, sorry for my delayed response as been maxxed out on my day job.....

The sets I was using as MGM (as I was slightly out of my prime position) were the V-2 Mutant on the Come-out & the all sevens mutant after I set the point. Actually I use two variants of the V-2 mutant: the first is 4/2 - 2/6 generally from SL1; otherwise from SR1, the hooks and straight out I use 4/2 - 2/6, which Irish dialed me in on several years ago. My All-sevens mutant is 4/5 - 5/4 as it spins out a lot of 6s & 8s when it misses the 7; so generally I plan for a OHCM when I shoot. With that set I am in no rush to seven out; though generally I lay single odds with the DP-that gives me the OHCM's older brother - the NHNL (No hit-no lose lol). That's my usual play based on a lot of bonetracking. Once I get a hit, I pull the lay, stick with the All 7 mutant generally especially if I'm straight out. If I'm at SR1 though, I might switch back to the V-2 mutant, especially if I'm shooting for a second time and think I have a good LZ working.

I wasn't playing GWTG that day - but if i was the set I use is my Crossed sixes mutant: 3/1 - 6/5.

As always mileage will vary, though I'm pretty steady with this approach. Its kinda fun when you're shooting darkside as no one ever gives you any heat, instead they like to smirk at the guy who can't seven out, not realizing I'm pressing my 6 & 8 and making money that way, cheers, D.N8r

[DarthNater]

Nice transition. Only problem is that this table was the equivalent to a 35-45 roll for the right side. You do not find very many tables,as in almost never, that are that cold and do not have an incredible amount of sevens and elevens on the come outs. We need some trip reports for tables that happen far more often, like most that are unplayable. Understanding what an unplayable table looks like, so you can walk away or wait to play later ,is maybe the most important skill of all. Transition moves are necessary skills also, just not called for at very many tables

SR,
Yeah, this was an interesting case in several ways, esp the lack of 7s &11s on the come-out. I've filed a few other reports where the entire session was stymied by the sheriff and the deputy. My rule of thumb is to tiptoe in when darksiding. Usually I watch first. In this case, I took the shortcut as two guys were already on the DP and seemed to know what they were doing, so I watched and bought in. My goal is to win that first bet, or the second. My tolerance is limited if those both go down. Granted its too small statistically, but I hate digging holes with the first couple of shooters. I walk a lot, especially if the first two DPs get knocked down. But, that's how I think, lots of folks will say "I'll go once around the table". Or "since a seven is one in six, I'll try DP on six shooters and if there's multiple comeouts, then I leave". Both can be smart tactics, it depends. As this was a $25 table, I had put a short leash on myself starting out. That works well for me and was exceptional this time, but many days it can be a much tougher grind or a quick walkaway.

We're going to be discussing a lot of these approaches during Heavy's Summer Camp in Vegas class as despite the heat that time of year we do find some cold beaches, ciao, D.N8r

[memo]

Dn8'r

I really like your detail and step by step decision making process. I know of very few people that can read the table like that. There are some (Nellie types) that have some success, however I feel it is more due to the fact that they are 'off' more than they are 'on'...To this day, I do not believe that seeing a hard 10 and going 'off', is an example of anything else other than voodoo....

I gain insight every report you make.
Memo

Memo,
It wasn't the hard ten that triggered me, as I was trying to spread to the 4 & 10 after getting good hits on the 6 & 8; I called bets off due to the bozo disturbance at the other end of the table. It was just me trying to protect my gains from an EDE. More like luck instead of voodoo, and this time I'd say good guess, N8

N'8

Ugh! I had to re-read your report, the hard ten did not register with me as I recognized why you went off...The possible EDE.
My comment was aimed at the 'Nellie' syndrome that has everyone going off when they see a hard ten....Voodoo. I just cannot get on board with that. Dice Coach throws it, good natured, in my face every time I see him....

Memo

[DarthNater]

N'8

Ugh! I had to re-read your report, the hard ten did not register with me as I recognized why you went off...The possible EDE.
My comment was aimed at the 'Nellie' syndrome that has everyone going off when they see a hard ten....Voodoo. I just cannot get on board with that. Dice Coach throws it, good natured, in my face every time I see him....

Memo

Memo,
I see; lol

Lotsa guys shut off their bets for lotsa reasons. Hey, its their money & their choice. Several folks turned off multiple times during my big hands at Flamingo and Bally's - it's cool. I've heard missing number that shows; the fourth Hardway; or turn off after one horn, or two horns, or three horns..... All as rationales for turning off.... guess that's why they call it gambling, though remember VooDoo is nothing compared to the power of The Force, D.N8r