5 count with the Don't

[spiker]

Welll jaime if you read the previous posts most of that info is there;-)

5 dollar table. BI. $300
Betting one unit. 5 or 6 bucks on DP. Then placing two numbers for one unit each. Not always the 6 and 8 because they weren't showing very much and that kept me going a lil bit. At least I was getting more hits than I did on the 6 and 8 both nights. One loss per shooter. 100 loss limit per session

[Knick111]

greetings spiker.

Sorry about that spiker, my bad.

I did not read your previous post.

your buy in on the $5 dollar table is on the money.

betting the way you are, should make you a winner in the long run.

Good luck at your local casino. JAIME.

[Occasional Shooter]

On random shooters I either play the 6/8 or the hard ways. I'm cheap, I know. Sometimes I'll play a C&E and nothing else, just so I don't appear not to be 'gambling'. I have seen some amazing randy shooters that go for 11 to 15 tosses or more. Money not won or saved it's like missing a stocks low price before it gains 30%. I hate it when that happens, but I didn't lose an money either.

[Iceman95]

Stopped at a local casino after work. The table was very choppy. I tried this 5 count and walked out +50 for an hour. I could not throw anything if my life depended on it. Only threw 4 times, if I played the darkside would have won. I was getting tired and was positive so walked.

[heavy]

You have to go with the flow. If the table is trending toward the Don'ts then bet the Don'ts. Glad you managed to eek out a win. Sometimes the small wins are the sweetest ones.

[Greg]

Heavy, betting on the table trends,, can you explain how you detect trends,, it seems if the 7 comes 3 times in a row and I jump to the don't side, then the point will be hit a few times. Every time I switch I get burned.

[heavy]

Yeah, I'll post on this tonight. Meanwhile, search for my Transition Moves article on Google. That covers much of it.

[Dylanfreake]

Ol` Shooter57 ,from the green pastures of Canada, said that after the 5 Count he would make a DC wager. He went on to say the 5 count is good , but the folks that use it play the Rightside instead of the Darkside.

[heavy]

Okay, it's a little late to get started on this but since I said I'd post something - here goes. Let's start with that Transition Moves article I mentioned before: http://www.axispowercraps.com/transition-moves/

Assuming I'm playing the Don'ts I'll typically have 2 or 3 bets working per shooter. If I get knocked off two of these bets I'll seriously consider a transition move to the right side of the game. So let's say I have a $15 DP on the FIVE and a $10 DC on the SIX and a second $10DC on the TEN. Now let's say the shooter knocks me off the SIX and the TEN. At that point I make a decision as to whether I'm just going to be through with this shooter or if I'm going to take a chance on him whip-sawing me if I move to the right side. If I decide to make the move to the right side then I'll come back with a couple of Place bets - probably on the six and eight but if there is another number that is dominant I'll likely bet that one. At that point I'm basically looking for a couple of hits to earn back what I got knocked off of. But once I've scored those hits then I have another decision to make. Take the bets down and wait for a decision on the Don'ts, or start pressing subsequent hits in order to see just how far we go. If that's the choice - we're off to the races.

Switching from the right side to the Don'ts works pretty much the same way. If I lose on two consecutive shooters where I'm playing the right side then I'll make a decision, based on my charting, whether or not to switch to the Don'ts or to continue to play the right side. If I have a chart on a shooter that tells me I should bet him then I'll take a third shot at the right side. If not, then I'll go ahead and transition to the Don'ts. If I do that then I'm probably going to tiptoe in with a $15 DP followed by a $10 DC, giving me $25 action. I'll add more bets if I win on both of these bets. Otherwise, I'll stay at that level until the dice tell me to do otherwise.

From time to time I'll find myself riding the fence - unsure which way to go. In those cases I'll simply take a page from SIA's play book and bet a DP bet followed by Place bets on the six and eight. I might play $25 DP and $24 each on the six and eight, for example. From there I can go either way - full bore on the do's or the don'ts, depending on what happens on the next hand or two.

Hope that helps. It was a quickie version of it but I'm on a short schedule tonight.

Later.
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[DanF]

If you want any long term strategy you need it to have an adjustment built in to switch play when the table streaks automaticaly.

That's where the money is. It's not going to work 100% of the time but it doesn't need to. All good gambler need is to keep his head out of the water on the long therm. Not every hand needs a winner but you can't have yourself miss 10 hands streak cuz you stubbornly want to keep your system running. That is why martingale sucks. Random events come in streaks.

[heavy]

Everyone here should know by now my opinion of the Five Count for right side players. It's essentially an ill conceived strategy promoted by a guy who is innumerate when it comes to craps. But what about the Five Count for wrong way players? That was the subject of this thread from several years back. Granted, the thread got off to a shaky start as I mistakenly thought the player was going the Doey Don't route with a Five Count for Laying Odds. Then somewhere in there the idea of Placing the Six and Eight along with the Don't bet was brought up, which I basically like because it's akin to SIA's one hit - can't miss play. But then the shooter decided he'd take down the Six and Eight AND his Don't bet, which set me off on another tear. Never take down a Don't bet, right? So where does that leave us? Back at square one. So let's get back to the original question:

What do you think of the idea of playing a Five Count on a DP bet - waiting Five Rolls after the bet is established before Laying Odds? Or should the player take some other course of action. For the sake of this example let's assume the player has as $25 DP bet established. Help me out here. Thoughts?

[DarthNater]

Ok I’ll bite.

I did not reread the thread, but if your DP gets past the sheriff and the deputy, you now have the hammer on the house, so why count to five before you hit the nail? Counting to five means it’s toss number six, as we’ve said repeatedly the mean of three for a seven occurrence means you miss the boat a bunch. Think of all those wasted PSOs and PPSOs !

If you’re going to lay the odds, then LAY them. I’d rather add to the lay after each toss, than count to five.

Alt answer..... for outside points....establish the DP, then do a $30 6 and 8, and lay $60 with the DP. One hit, halve the lay and look for possible transition opportunities

DN8R

[Knick111]

Goodmorning DartNater,

I like the way you think, DarthNater.

When you have her/them on the bottom, why wait.

Still in 2020, that stupid 5 count is still alive.

We have players on this board,that they do the 8 count, but is o.k, he says he will live to be 100, broke.

Bill, learn from DarthNater.

luck at the casino soon, June 4 2020.

jaime.

[Big O]

Alt answer..... for outside points....establish the DP, then do a $30 6 and 8, and lay $60 with the DP. One hit, halve the lay and look for possible transition opportunities

this thought process shows me how much more i need to learn about this game, also why i hope to make it to the Darksiders Ball one day.

As far as an answer to Heavy's ? I dont DP very often yet. Mostly just laying numbers. I dont use any standard 5 count but i do look for certain opportunities to make the lays. After an ATS small or tall payout, If the shooter has made multiple passes. Other EDEs and watching the shooter for some kind of sign things may be coming to an end.

Many times i want to place a DP after a shooter has made several passes but fear the sheriff and dont want to be the one accused of bringing bad juju on a good hand. Usually if i make a DP it is when i think the table has gone ice cold.

[heavy]

After the ATS you can always Lay the board on the Come Out. A Come Out seven wins all.

Or wait until the shooter establishes his next point, then Lay against it and play a DC. Get the DC established then take down the Lay bet. Lots of options.