CRAPLESS CRAPS-

[Knick111]

Goodmorning,

Dec 22, 2019 is 10:AM [ TEMP 75 ].

Guys and Gals, Heavy you go first or not, what system would you use to beat the game of
CRAPLESS CRAPS?

Has any body on this forum played this game AND is a winner?

Tell us, how would you attack this game.

jaime.

[r_ventura_23]

I wish I could help. Would love to give it a shot.....but never seen one where I play.

[Big O]

Jamie,
i like crapless craps except for the obvious extra numbers to cover. Being an across bettor it adds up fast. The other issue i have is all of the tables i have played on are 14ft. I would love to play on a 12 footer sometime. As far as strategy, I like to work the outside on the comeout. I have played this way for several years with decent success. I toss X6s and usually bet a horn on the comeout on regular tables. So it just made since to work the outside. Same bet, a little more outlay but not a one roll bet. I mostly used it only when i was tossing. Then in Biloxi playing with the crew we came up with 10 pass line 5 big red and work the outside. The pass line and red cover the outside bet making in plausible to bet on anyone. Sometimes i take it down if no hit on the comeout, sometimes not.

[Moe Bettor]

Yeah, I heard about that BR bet too, but don't get it. Any seven is a one roller. Why not hop the sevens for 3 bucks if yr. doing a one roll bet? Yes, it doesn't pay as much, but it costs $2 less and gets you $15 if it hits. Unless they don't allow a hop bet, of course. Have a love hate relationship with crapless. When sevens start to come, you can't go dark and money dumps into the casino. But a DI can train to hit those outside numbers. IMO it was a brilliant move by the casinos to sucker you in to have more money on the table. Of course you want to have those outside numbers, but we know the 6 and 8 hit the most..so you'll be on those too. Now you have $74 or more bucks out on that $10 table at the git-go including yr. PL bet.

[220Inside]

The $10 red is a hedge for the working outside bets. You have $40 in working action, so the $10 red is a push if you happen to toss one. I suppose you could hop the 7's for $3 each and save an extra buck to achieve pretty much the same result.

The money to be made in crapless is on the extreme outside numbers. I use my X6 set that I normally use for my GWAG on a regular table and shoot to nail as many extreme outside numbers as possible.

Another approach over the $10 red/working outside numbers might be to look at your number distribution for your extreme outside set and figure out the numbers you have the least amount of edge on. Then, on the comeout use a set that gives you the best chance of setting one of those numbers. Then switch to your extreme outside set. The thinking here is that I care more about being able to hit extreme outside numbers than I do about making points. The $10 red/working extreme outside on the comeout can get sneakily expensive if you're not hitting them.

[House of Orange]

A $40 line bet works even better!

[Big O]

A $40 line bet works even better

I like that idea if I’m shooting, not sure I would want to do it on everyone.

[Moe Bettor]

Get stuck with a $40 line bet on a come out 12 I don't know about that one. But I guess if yr. a horn thrower..Tunica, at the Shoe, the far crapless table..I had a come out 3. Never hit it in 26 or so rolls. It was only later that I found my best horn set..eyeballs straight up.

[220Inside]

That's the whole point Nick. Set for extreme outside numbers. That 12 pays 6-1. Though I'm not sure what you mean about getting stuck with a $40 line bet. Can you explain?

[heavy]

The $40 XO working on the Come Out coupled with a $10 Red works great with DI's who can knock out the extreme outside numbers. If those numbers are not coming in then it's a bankroll killer. On players I don't know I play crapless like I play any other craps game except I avoid the Pass Line. Period. I just place the point if I want it. There is ONE difference. If a player I don't know is setting for and hitting extreme outside numbers I'll PLACE those numbers for table minimum and BUY them on the first hit. Then I sit back and wait to collect. One hit on a Buy bet on one of those numbers will pay for just about all of your other action, and if you regress or take down those non paying bets you can turn it into a profit situation real fast.

[House of Orange]

Yes, I just threw out $40 as a low vig hedge for high vig place extreme numbers. Upon further review, don’t have the exact numbers but you always want buys on that extreme stuff. So maybe no hedge at all.

[Tgold]

?what system would you use to beat the game of
CRAPLESS CRAPS?

I often play at a casino and one of the more veteran dealers has a great response to any novice players that drift by and ask : whats the difference between this table and that crapless table over there? The dealer always responds with a :"My friend Im glad you asked--The crapless is better because it lets you bet on all the numbers so more opportunity to win and win more". He then chuckles and tries to hide a smile. The same dealer and most all of the dealers are constantly reminding the players at the regular table about the wonderous benefits of playing at the other(crapless) table/ why they (the players) should switch.

One of my largest wins early on was: buying the 2/12 @35 with a $25Field. I was parlaying the field threeX ,and two full parlay on the 2/12 together on any hit, and then doing a back/forth on the F -- 2/12. I was fortunate to hit the 2/12 several times early and in approx. 10-15mins had a net win of just over $3K with the twelve@$1500. The most astonishing part was how quick my rack filled. The thing I remember was that I had a mental lapse/was caught thinking about "will I press my 12 to 4500 or 5000 on the next hit", and I 7out on the next toss. I could have kicked myself because I let my mind drift instead of just focusing on the very next toss.

*If Im forced to play crapless I will often do something similar to above with less pressing or something similar to the post above by:
by 22Inside » Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:37 pm , where I will buy the extremes at $35 and start a slow progression on the PL until I get my first payout. My goal with the small PL & progression is to not allow the Cas to ever get more than 97.5% of my base wager(s) total.

I have a good friend that plays the PL/C only on the crapless. He does a continuous PL/C so that any 7 will give him a net $win for that shooter/ he is willing to go 21 wagers deep. Other players sometimes scoff at his play, yet the same players will gladly wager on a reg table with PL/C and willingly accept the cas 1:1 payout on comeout 11 vs the expected 3:1. Personally , Im not an advocate of this play as I feel there are better opportunities and ROI for the amount he is willing to risk. To each their own. The one thing Ive noticed at he crap table through the years is there are many ways to make consistent money. Often they can be found with unorthodox or atypical methods.

Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays to All


All the best,
Tgold

[Knick111]

Greetings guys/gals and heavy,

Thank you all on your comments on crapless craps, now if i may, will post a SYSTEM for

DarthNater and rest of the members to test out to see if it will work for you.

But that will be tomorrow/later on today, because i'm falling asleep.

jaime.

[heavy]

Falling asleep at the craps table is a great way not to lose money as long as you don't have any action on the table and when you fall asleep you lay on top of your chips. I don't know that you will win anything, but you won't lose.

[Knick111]

Greetings DarthNater,

[ 1 ]...Here is the system, [first let me say i do not believe starting any system losing $75 dollars ] that's why i hedge
on the come out/that is part of the system. ] sometimes i will throw a 2 or a 3 and win on the come out
75 dollars/ less my 20 dollar hedge.

Please, [ no P sevenout shooters...OR PP sevenout shooters.

[ 2 ]...on this system you must teach yourself how to throw Field numbers, the 2/3/4/9/10/11/12 before you start betting.

[ 3 ] Can see 50% or more of you, saying HERE we go again, another field system. no is not.

Yes it is, and no is not. Is the way you bet this system.

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Will finish later on, have no more energy to finish this post.

jaime.

[heavy]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...............

[wild child]

The Never Ever Craps aka Crapless Table LayOut

TAKES AWAY the DARK SIDE OPTION....( gone are the D/P & D/C)

The give back is ALL THE HORN NUMBERS are also now BOX NUMBERS/
( Those HORN NUMBERS pay 3X for the Yo'leven & THE THREE
..6X PAY on the TWELVE and THE TWO as BOX Numbers
===========> Also as BOX NUMBERS they stay up in place as any other BOX #)

Expect rarely find a $10 minimum on the CRAPSLESS Craps Table.
Expect Higher Minimums ($25,$50 $100 ) may become the new normal
somewhat due to THE GENERAL INFLATION ( Currency Devaluation )
in amounts that will show across the general marketplace. POST COVID-19
<=============================================>
Gone are placing $104 across to cover ALL TEN BOX NUMBERS.

Placing all ten BOX NUMBERS will be at the very least
Minimum USD $ greater $amount Times TEN

Some crusty old school Dice Heads would
buy-in and play extended sessions
only WORKING THOSE TEN PLACED NUMBERS
for one (1) or (two) Dice Flings after the Come Out Roll

Then TURNING ALL THOSE WAGERS OFF
and
ONLY Lighting those Ten Placed numbers after each sequential
Dice TOSSER /dice flinger
established the PASS LINE NUMBER..........

Occasionally a SHOOTER would P S O

During a FORTUNATE DICE ADVENTURE
after the winnings PAID THE FREIGHT for the ORIGINAL BUY-IN
The OLD SCHOOL "Moss Backs" may even have pressed up
the numbers that SHOWED.

Turning OFF ALL WAGERS after one or TWO Hits.

Wagering that way requires
a) The BANK Roll to cover the action
AND
b) The fortitude to accept the EASY MONEY ADVENTURES
>>As WELL AS THE OCCASIONAL SHORT FALLS <<

just me saying
w c

[Knick111]

Greetings DarthNarth,

After reviewing the numbers on this system, this system does not work.

so i will not post it.

jaime.

[heavy]

Post crapless interuptus. Sigh.

[Moe Bettor]

Unless you can exert true dice control, or have extra powerful influence, crapless HA is too high. Taking away the best craps bet you can have tells it all.