Your Go To, Money Making, BEST Betting Strategy

[Backstroker]

Trying to get ready for Biloxi trip I’ve been scheming this play with decent success at home just flinging the dice so absolutely pure randomness.
$10 PL after point Odds are what ever $ number is below.
$30 6/8
$20 5/9
$15 4/10
$5 field

1st hit take field to $10 press winnings on inside numbers however you can. Example 5 hits for $28, $10 goes on field then add $5 to 5 and $6 each to 6/8 or 9.

2nd hit make sure field at $10 press all winnings again evenly on inside or if 4 or 10 press them at least $5.

3rd hit (as long as you’ve hit 2 paying numbers not 2 horns) Have PL with $15 in odds ($16 for 5/9] take it all down to 2 unit bets on a 4 or 10, 5 or 9, 6 or 8 Giving you a total of 3 bets in action. Say PL is a 5, then you have an 8 + a 10 = $48 in action. Or maybe PL is 8, then have $10 each on 9/10= $45. For some reason I like having 1 sister in play, and like the payouts on the 4/10. From that point collect, press collect, power press, add other numbers, whatever you fancy. Funny thing is I have played it as $130 across with the $5 field after point established. The $10 PL wins over that play every damn time. Something about those comeout 7/11s that make the difference. When I’m positive cash after point established, say it went 7,5. I take that $10 add $5 to field and $5 to the 5 or 9 if 5 is point. Plus sometimes you may get 3-4 winners before the point, add all that to the numbers.

I’ve played countless hours at my table playing all different strategies on the same rolls. It gets hectic at times when I’ve got a dark side going, a OHCM, my $130 with PL across, Hawaii’s easy $82, then a PL with 5xs odds pressing. Seems like the only consistent winners are heavy bets, with strong regressions. If you don’t know the Hawaii it is after point $30 6/8, $10field $2 hop the 5s. Then whatever comes in start a 5 with a $10 field. I run that for 4hits pressing all winnings then go down to 3 bets 2 units each. Hope this isn’t to confusing, all ideas are welcome!

[stratocasterman]

Seems like the only consistent winners are heavy bets, with strong regressions.

That's my "Your Go To, Money Making, BEST Betting Strategy" when I'm tossing, every time!

I fully press ALL of my 1st hit winnings equally across my three place bets (fourth bet is my PL point w/odds). On the 2nd hit, I regress all the way back to "paid for" bets.

At that rate, anything beyond 2 hits is a profit for the hand. You can just sit back and collect on every hit, press or a combination of the two. When I get a hit after two hits, I will usually press some BUT, I always take some profit from the hit.

[Tgold]

Hi Stratocasterman--Its always great to see you checking in again. I know youre busy. Are you still in Philippines ?

I agree 100% with your statement above: "...I fully press ALL of my 1st hit winnings..
IMO the main battle is won by A)proper bet sizing with wager $#1, and B)what % we press between wager#1 and wager#2. I strongly feel the primary benefits of compounding that we hope to utilize on a streak of say >= 4th or 5th or more hits is a function of what we are doing on the FIRST press. Regardless if one chooses to do strictly pos progression or press/regress as u mention above, or press-press/then regress and same bet til it falls off....etc. We MUST get ahead of the curve early on if we hope to neutralize our default rate at wager #1(i.e., when win1 didnt go to win2), coupled with battling the house edge.

Continued Success, Tgold

[stratocasterman]

Hi Stratocasterman--Its always great to see you checking in again. I know youre busy. Are you still in Philippines ?

I agree 100% with your statement above: "...I fully press ALL of my 1st hit winnings..
IMO the main battle is won by A)proper bet sizing with wager $#1, and B)what % we press between wager#1 and wager#2. I strongly feel the primary benefits of compounding that we hope to utilize on a streak of say >= 4th or 5th or more hits is a function of what we are doing on the FIRST press. Regardless if one chooses to do strictly pos progression or press/regress as u mention above, or press-press/then regress and same bet til it falls off....etc. We MUST get ahead of the curve early on if we hope to neutralize our default rate at wager #1(i.e., when win1 didnt go to win2), coupled with battling the house edge.

Continued Success, Tgold

Tgold...great to hear from you!

Yes, still here in the Philippines toughing out the pandemic. Very strict here still...probably in our best interests but, it is it's own beast. Still no casino for me.

You are exactly right IMO. "We MUST get ahead of the curve early on if we hope to neutralize our default rate at wager".

Only those that really followed my Trip Reports or the "A Negative Progression Baccarat Study/Strategy" thread https://axispowercraps.com/crapsforum/v ... ebc#p76423 know that "way back when", in my first year and a half as a rookie, I ended up losing my ENTIRE bankroll!

I followed every example, read all threads here on the site and took all the advice anyone could offer. I built a practice rig and practiced til my arm hurt every day. Went to the casino 2-3 times a week and tried everything. I'd win and I'd lose but, mostly LOST! So I had to step back.

I then studied HARD on Baccarat stats, strategies and experiences (with the help of many here including yourself). I built back the BR and ended up taking a big break from Craps. As most know, I was fortunate to kick the Baccarat tables's asses!

Taking that break from Craps let me reassess things. The things I seemed to OVERLOOK was making right sized bets, proper pressing, betting on MYSELF only and a solid REGRESSION strategy! When I finally figured those out, my entire craps game change completely!

I 95% WOTCO. I press ALL of it when I get the point set! That basically leaves me with just getting ONE hit and I'm in the clear.

Biggest lesson I EVER learned!

All the best to you!

[Tgold]

Backstroker--Good thoughts. Ive wargamed a similar strategy.
I found slightly better results by spreading the first hit as you mention above(Because without other intel we dont know which #s will dominate). However, on future hits we have a little more intel(i.e., if a # is hitting its happening). So the second hit I pressed only the two numbers that hit. 3rd hit same spread out to only the two or three #s that are paying...etc. I would do this through the fifty hit and then make a decision if I wanted to continue accelerating my wager(at a smaller rate), OR do I want to regress all or partial.
I also like to feed other numbers from the Field hit(e.g, if F4,9,or10 hits then press some of win onto 4,9,or10, and only to hit#,...etc).

Backstroker--Do you have any further thoughts from your recent testing?
Thx in advance.

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Good post Stratocasterman.
I do recall you had an extended Bac winning streak on the (A Negative Progression Baccarat Study/Strategy") thread. You had quite a few followers that wagered that or a similar method. I reviewed it some and perceived it had some good attributes. However, I never played it as I've always preferred a pos pro.

My thoughts are that we are ultimately doing battle with the variance of our chosen game. If I'm not in sync with the decisions I can only lose my buyin(or whatever one is willing to risk---which is 100% of BI for me). However, when i am in sync I will see almost the same streak (variance) and can potentially earn 100% or maybe several times my buyin.

I look forward to more posts from you.

Continued Success,

[Tgold]

Correction: To Backstroker above Fifty=Fifth

[Backstroker]

Tgold--yes, I have done the same on 2nd hit, press what already rolled. Especially if I haven't seen a number in a long time, why press it?
Regarding your Fifth Hit, I have already regressed usually by the 4th roll maximum after PT is established. Even when maybe I have hit 3 fields and only 1 pay number. My exposure then is around 1 unit PL,1xs odds, +2 numbers covered at a unit apiece ($40-55 total at risk) and nothing in the field. I then press half on the number that hits until I get the magical drop $1 for $50. Then I same bet 1 time, press half everytime after until heart desires. My success rate still has been decent, some huge gainers where I've bought in for $1,000 and cashed out over $2,000 with 10 shooters. I always always always do a minimum of 10 shooters before I color up, or LOL lose, at my practice table! That will never happen at the casino most likely. If I'm up big on the 1st shooter, you can bet a $25 Midnight I'm heading for a stroll if the 2nd shooter is a loser to take a break. There have been several times at my practice rig the 1st or 2nd shooter has me up big and when I colorup after 10 shooters I have lost that gain. I have learned so much from this website about regression, Heavy's mantra "get in get up get out!" For years I was a press player praying for the long roll thinking that a $66 inside where maybe I had a hit or 2 then 7ed out, was better than losing the whole $66. As Stratocasterman has referred too; I'm now of the camp that pressing all hits into the game, (with a hit number in mind) then a strong regression is my go to from now on. Hope my rambling isn't confusing!

[heavy]

Hope my rambling isn't confusing!

It made perfect sense to me. MP used to say "regression avoids depression." While mathematically that may not be correct over the long run, it does remove a lot of bankroll volatility over the short run - particularly negative bankroll volatility if you have the good sense to quit while you are ahead. There are a LOT of things you DON'T have control of at the table. Two things you DO have control of are when you get INTO the game and when you get OUT of the game. Getting out with a WIN is the key. ANY win.

[Tgold]

Hi Backstroker--thx for your prompt reply above.
Your comment above: "... I then press half on the number that hits until I get the magical drop $1 for $50. Then I same bet 1 time, press half everytime after until heart desires. My success rate still has been decent, some huge gainers where I've bought in for $1,000 and cashed out over $2,000 with 10 shooters..."
I too like to go into a 50% press once Ive reached a reasonable win goal for a session. This can really fill the rack. When a streak is there one can really neutralize all the losses from our default rate when hit#1 didnt continue.

Backstroker above: "... Hope my rambling isn't confusing!..."
Not at all.
Im usually in a hurry when i log in as its often 1:00--2am after a long afternoon/evening at the casinos. Like most I log on and quickly scan to see if any new posts, personal messaages...etc. Later, I will look back at a rapidly typed response and think to myself: "maybe I should have split that into several sentences, used grammar chk, used spell chk, used syntax chk.....etc.


Continued Success To All,

[stratocasterman]

I hope I'm not straying too far from my own topic but, I do think "pressing" is part of your BEST Betting Strategy. Tell me what ya think/experience from below...

When I place bet I'm betting that, per my 2V set and Bonetracker results, that I am going to hit even numbers. That's just me and I have gotten fairly good at it so long as I'm tossing well for the time being. So, I bet even numbers only...duh. I RARELY hit back to back numbers but, I DO hit ALOT of back to back EVEN numbers. Usually, I have three Place bets and a PL bet on my point w/max odds. So when I press, I give equal amounts to all my three Place bets, not just the last number hit.

So...why not afford yourself a pressed hit for ANY place bet you have on the table, not just one place bet? So, my real question is that, why do people usually only press the last number they hit? There is no way to know what you"ll toss next but, to me, it seems more likely you will hit any variety of numbers per your set history, not just a repeat.

I think this is the reason I tend to get decent Wins when I'm tossing well. It seems to prove itself out in Wincraps trials for me.

Thoughts?

[Tgold]

Hi Stratocasterman
Thx for comments /thoughts above.
"...Usually, I have three Place bets and a PL bet on my point w/max odds. So when I press, I give equal amounts to all my three Place bets, not just the last number hit.

So...why not afford yourself a pressed hit for ANY place bet you have on the table, not just one place bet? So, my real question is that, why do people usually only press the last number they hit? There is no way to know what you"ll toss next but, to me, it seems more likely you will hit any variety of numbers per your set history, not just a repeat..."

IMO the logic to only pressing the last hit # is our desire to wager more on the one showing /the perception(hope) is that if we are tossing consistently it will(we hope) show again --vs-- the likelihood for a number that hasnt hit at all to suddenly start presenting.
I agree with you that we never know definitively and much is just a hypothesis until we can record the actual outcome.

Ive wagered somewhat like you mention above in that I would Plc three numbers(typically 5,6,8) for $30 each always working. The first hit press all three to $40or42, 2nd hit all go to $50or54, and stay til the end. So basically a 30-40-50 pospro. What I would find on many of the highest ROI sessions is that I would have one or two numbers producing the most and yet the # with the lowest return still received an equal investment.

The flip side is that on the next session or whole trip all three wagers may produce equitable hits/returns and in hindsight I could easily conclude "I should have pressed all three in equal amounts on every press move....etc.

So like many decisions in gambling-- it boils down to each players' personal preference.

Continued Success,