Basic Don't

[Golfer]

Don't know Bill. Glad to hear it has not completely disappeared

[$5Bill]

Well I went to the Grand Victoria tonight to play...don't ask. Anyway While I was playing, I asked the stick guy why they didn't have 100x odds in Joliet anymore. He didn't know but the Box Lady turned to me and said, "Harrahs got taken for Millions. They took 3 Million in one night and then they band them from the casino. I told her that Hollywood in Joliet was down to 20x odds. She said, "Did they hit them too?" I told her that I didn't know anything about Hollywood except that their odds were down to 20x's. From the way the Box Lady was describing it, it sounded like it was a group of guys that cleaned out Harrah's. That's all I know . I wish I could knew the whole story.

$5Bill

[Golfer]

Bill,
Heard from reliable source 2-3 guys hit for millions starting with Put bets and pessing to table max. 100x odds at the time. Previous to that when they had 500z odds someone hit them for +$70-80,000 and they went down to 100x. Today they were at 10x. HAd fun today. Lost session won. 2nd 2 won back all plus 40%. In between farted around with some slots, vp and roulette and won all except 1 slot. Small change stuff just taking a break but left with a smile.


Later

[$5Bill]

Thanks Golfer, that's very interesting. I wonder if Joliet will ever get back to 100x odds again? I don't have to worry about that anyway because I've never bet 100x odds anyway. Elgin does not allow Put Bets.

$5Bill

[Golfer]

Hey Irish,
Forgot to mention I was thinking about you yeaterday. PARR shooter buys in ar SL1 and gets the dice. Uses hardways on the comeout and then switches to flying v with 2-6 facing him. He tosses a 11 and I toss out $4 on the ace/duece yo and he hits the 1-2, pressure and he does it again. Should have bet more and parlayed. Later in the roll he did it again but I was too slow.

I was dark against him. He made 1 point but I pressed the 2nd dp and came out ok.

Golfer

[wudged]

This is an old thread but I was going through the different things posted on betting strategies and see this question was never really answered. I figured I'd answer for anybody else who happens to run through and doesn't know.

how and why do the odds have to be stacked or bridged?

Bridging is when the flat of your bet is placed directly next to an equal amount of chips (number and denomination) from your lay odds bet, and the remainder of the lay odds bet is placed "bridging" the two stacks. This is done only when the pay-off for the odds and the flat both pay the same amount. Some examples of when to bridge:

point of 4/10
$5 flat, $10 lay
$25 flat, $50 odds

point of 5/9
$10 flat, $15 lay
$20 flat, $30 lay

point of 6/8
$5 flat, $6 lay
$25 flat, $30 lay

A heel is when you take a stack and pick up all but the bottom chip and place it angled with one side on the bottom chip and the other on felt, to make a leaning tower. This is done when the lay odds bet pays out an amount different than the flat (and occasionally with a regular lay bet, but usually this isn't necessary because of the lay lammer on top of the stack) Some examples of when to heel:
point of 4/10
$5 flat, $20 lay

point of 5/9
$5 flat, $6 lay

point of 6/8
$5 flat, $12 lay

Also, as wildchild already stated, heeled odds will go furthest from stick, or closest to base.

[heavy]

If ever there was a thread that needed a bump this is it. Lots of talk here about the basics of betting the don'ts - and a diversion off into other areas along the way. Read the entire thread. Comment? How do you approach the Don'ts.

[London Shooter]

As a relatively new don'ts player (at times) it took me a while to find out what bridging and heeling means. In fact placing odds on don'ts bets was initially a mystery to me in terms of how you put the money down on the felt.

Findin this thread at that time would have saved me time in research. Wudged response just above sets out a nice and concise answer to what heeling and bridging is and when each sould be used.

Very useful thread.

[Dylanfreake]

Sam Grafstein`s (The Dice Doctor) number 1 Rule for becoming a successful DONT bettor Is NEVER CHASE A LOSING BET.

After a natural on the comeout or one made pass line point , you make no more wagers until the next shooter gets the dice.

I guess the above rule is as Basic Dont as one rule can be.

[flextimeLV]

DF- what about one win per shooter as well? Let's say he rolls a come out three and I collect on the DP. Do I run with the money and pass his shoot or stay up on him? Next he rolls the obligatory YO to please the dice gods. I'm in a wash situation. Does that qualify as the one beat per shooter or do I stay up on him until I'm down a bet?

I'm asking if Grafstein has a rule to cover this question. Thanks!

[Dylanfreake]

If you win on the comeout , you continue betting . The yo is a loss , so no more betting on that shooter.

Sam said one loss per shooter , no matter what.

Now, one can say that a win , then a loss is a wash , so put up another wager. Sam would not have done that .

I think it would be fine if you did that every time . Also, if you want to quit betting after a comeout craps win that would be fine , if you did it all the time. The way I view the darkside and even the rightside is that you should play in such a way that you are not second-guessing.

And not second-guessing is kind of against the nature and the fun of the game of craps.

[flextimeLV]

Agreed and many thanks, DF. Are you still playing your strategy? (4% BR divided by 10, min DP with leftover on odds) How's the year been so far?

[Dylanfreake]

I have still been basically playing the same strategy. Instead of doing individual trip reports , I was going to just do an end of the month summary. However, I lost my last pocket notebook which had everything from Oct 2015 to the present and have been pissed off at myself since.I think it was left in the room after our last overnight stay. I hope whoever found it takes to heart what it says on the back of it. BOB DYLAN for PRESIDENT.

However, from my beginning of the year bankroll and my current bankroll , I do know that I am $209 behind for the year.

I have been rereading The Dice Doctor`s book by Sam Grafstein and have thought about using his plays through an X amount of sessions for each.

I probably am getting close to the time that my casino trips will fewer and farther in between . Old age is here. I do think that by using a loss limit of 4% of my Total Gambling Bankroll that I shall be able to play as long as I am able ---hopefully at least until I am 80. (I`ll be 70 in April). So why not follow in Sam G`s foot steps with some of his plays for a fun study of the Darkside play. My goal when I started playing craps was to accumulate $3,000 by the time I was 65 in my Total Gambling Bankroll. Now , I suppose my goal shall be to have one buy in on my last day on this earth.

That is not really a good thought on this day , but it is a real thought.

[6dollar6]

Hi Dylanfreake

Knowing your careful management of funds, I project that you'll have plenty of buy-ins to last 25 years.

At that time you'll be 95, and I'll be 97.

I'll come join you if I still have the strength to belly up to the table.

Good luck to both of us.

6dollar6

[Michael]

I think I would like to be at that table.I would be 95 also.Let's make it an old timers table.

[coaster]

I also would love to make it to that gathering.
However, I don't know if the "old" guys would allow a young whippersnapper of 94 to join the festivities.
I actually am laughing to myself thinking about that scene.
A table full of players all 90+.
Sounds like a true comedy to me.
Can you imagine all the craziness at that table?
Believe me, I'm not picking on anyone of advanced age.
Quite the contrary, I was taught to honor my elders and maybe even learn something from their experiences.
I just know how I'm beginning to behave only approaching 70.
I love life and enjoy learning almost every day.
I can only hope I have an extra 25 good years left.
For me that would be a fantastic blessing.
Coaster

[heavy]

I thought I'd bump this thread up simply because it deserves it. A lot of great Don't discussion by some excellent dark side players. Read it from the top and learn.

[Parson]

Thanks for the bump, good read through...

Heeling the odds ..... dealer told me awhile back, just like in bed, the big one goes on bottom .