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My throw is zoned!

DarthNater wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:06 am
I created an excel spreadsheet to summarize my books of rolls. I don't use a 720 tosses book as thats just too much arm fatigue for me and puts me in a position of pursuing rapidity over quality to make quantity goals. Each of my mini-books is usually comprised of 36 comeout tosses and 72 point tosses. I've not yet had a 108 toss hand so this seems to suffice for me. Hence, I also use a capture form that aligns with my comeout set and then my point set, so recording is easy. Its similar to the generic capture form MD attaches in the last Bonetracker tab, but I have inserted room for post-toss analysis and betting what-ifs. So I get more value out of the practice. That way I can more accurately simulate the starts and stops of casino play, even simulate betting as well. I then transpose the comeout set results into the point set results so I have a master set of tosses that I use for analysis. Pasting your BT results into another excel file, as well as pasting the BT analytics really helps me discern how things are going.

If there's interest, I'll clean up the forms and am happy to post them for download on the google drive I use for my Craps Analytics files, D.N8r

Below is the link for my tracking sheet on my google drive:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DWKR1 ... =sharing

My apologies for not posting it sooner as have been working on multiple Craps Analytics files while concurrently get some home repair projects done; besides after sharing it a bit, I decided to add an old tracking sheet so you can see how to leverage the form. It's formatted for most printers and there's plenty of space to rack out box numbers as the form in 2017 was initiated envisioned for ISRs, but I moved on from that.

Please feel free to download it and play with it. Any questions or feedback can be emailed to DarthNaterDICE @ gmail.com

Cheers, D.N8r

Well, first day in vegas got down 100, second day, down 600. Despite throwing teens I didn’t get paid enough to cover my losses from the table turns and bleeded out slowly all day. Even if I got a part of the roll still stashed, no more playing today. These are the hardest losses, when win enough to keep you from leaving, then slowly give it back and leave on your stop loss. 5 times today.
Ugly day!

DanF wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:34 pm Well, first day in vegas got down 100, second day, down 600. Despite throwing teens I didn’t get paid enough to cover my losses from the table turns and bleeded out slowly all day. Even if I got a part of the roll still stashed, no more playing today. These are the hardest losses, when win enough to keep you from leaving, then slowly give it back and leave on your stop loss. 5 times today.
Ugly day!

Hey DanF,

If you are going to do a trip report....I am interested.

Memo

My solution to good shooting, bad partners, is dooey don’t. Lay the 4/10 for sure, maybe get some odds on 6/8. But for sure all, in table minimum.

Oh I found the solution, got kicked out of freemont cuz I had a good throw with one dice braking before the wall of their warship length table. So far it’s going better.

They asked me to pass the dice, I got into an argument, picked up my bets and went to play next door where I 3x’d my roll.

DanF

I find that anytime I am in Vegas, my first day or two everything seems to unravel. The bad tosses kill me and the great tosses are beautiful PSO's.
If I am at one of Heavy's seminars, the group support gets me back on track. Most of the time I am solo, so I need to get my head right. A lesson I learned from Wizard several years ago was place a pass line bet and just work on your toss for a hand or two. No other bets or odds, just the pass line. Don't worry about how much you would have made or could have lost. Refocus the toss from start to finish. I find that one or two hands seems to get me back on track. Is it mental, of course. I do not worry about the 3 8's or the 4 5's I just tossed with no other money on the table. It's getting me back to center. If i am back on, i'm on. Take a break and as PVW says, go to the pool for a while and enjoy the weather.

When I get back to the tables I am relaxed and ready to get go. My head is right and I know that all the practice I have done will pay off over the next day or two or three.

Does it always work? Not always but I will say the the majority of the time I tend to do much better as the trip continues. You Can't let an early day or two sink all the hours and hours of hard work that you have done.

Good luck and relax............


Lkwd

I just know not to buy in bad games, but I did it anyway and went bust lol. Rebuy is done, but it’s going to take a miracle to get me back in today.

Even the pool doesn’t tempt me.

Fuck’d up times, never saw that coming lol. Grinded to death 22$ at a time

It's almost impossible to make money at craps betting table minimums. A $22 inside grind is a killer. One PSO and on the next hand you need four hits to catch up. Another PSO and you're ten hits behind. That's a killer.

heavy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:38 am It's almost impossible to make money at craps betting table minimums. A $22 inside grind is a killer. One PSO and on the next hand you need four hits to catch up. Another PSO and you're ten hits behind. That's a killer.

HEAVY I agree. That's why I start with higher wagers. But that also can be a bankroll killer with a few PSOs. However on a good roll it can put you back in black quick.

My question is where is the compromise? Where is the middle? As someone (you) who has played the game for so long and seen just about everything, what's your approach? Of course this depends and the casino or the table but in general.

Thanks

Wizard is right on as usual IMO. PL bet, check your baggage. Are you throwing your numbers. V3 showing 1-2, 11..not yet. I'm with gargoil on going
higher up front once you've connected with your inner craps self. Then I regress..which maybe others don't. I want bets paid for. Not only that, but bets that are up and are not hitting in three rolls, gone! And another of Wizar's suggestions. Get yr damn money off the table. Often. I still like Biloxi's daughter two and down. Not bad.

I agree with the concept of tip-toeing in when you first get in the game. But once you see your toss is working there comes a point where you have to commit. For me, at that point it's $66 inside, $66 even, or even $96 across for a couple of hits, then make some money management moves (regressions) to insure a profit for the hand and go from there.

Lol, I know all of this. But just hit a bad streak, anything didn’t work, regression, progression, both together, dark side with/without odds.

I can’t beat bad luck lol. My throw looked zoned, I had good rolls, bleed out slowly lol.

Has to happen sometimes. Can’t always be breaking bank.

Loss about 950$. Ain’t horrible. But sure was a pain to watch. 2 good rolls could get me back, it’s not the end of world.

Even if the dice look good. If it isn't working, it may be time to take a break from play. Then back to the same or a different table later. I usually choose a different table just for a clean new start. Yes, sometimes nothing works except not playing at all. Tough decisions need to be made sometimes.

Been thinking about this lately myself. As Heavy mentions, tip-toe in and gauge how things are looking to start. Then progress up to your committed level of play (mine happens to be $66 even, or one of my preferred regression plays starting with $102 even if things are looking particularly positive and I get up a bit).

But I've also been considering having a play to use when that inevitable PSO or sequence that puts you in the hole to get back to even and continue with your regular play. Something more conservative, say a $44 inside, 2/3 hits and down until you get back that initial loss. For a $44 inside, two hits and down play, you're looking at doing this on 2-3 shooters to recoup a $66 even loss.

DanF wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:28 am Lol, I know all of this. But just hit a bad streak, anything didn’t work, regression, progression, both together, dark side with/without odds.

I can’t beat bad luck lol. My throw looked zoned, I had good rolls, bleed out slowly lol.

Has to happen sometimes. Can’t always be breaking bank.

Loss about 950$. Ain’t horrible. But sure was a pain to watch. 2 good rolls could get me back, it’s not the end of world.

Ditto what RR said. Don't force it and go have a cup of coffee or something. You will be surprised how much a walk away from the tables and re-group helps you even if it's only mentally.

I feel you have to at least start with a $30 6 and 8 to get a decent regression to $18 a piece and the 5 and 9 don't really do you quite as well at one hit at $25 BUT IF you can set for 5 and 9 and go $30 each you have a nice regression cushion at $42. As I said I like to get bets paid for fast so I rarely leave anything up for two hits. But that's my comfort zone. Which I should have exercised on my last casino trip.

Well, Binions was cold, I was down 120 and colored +85 from a nice roll I got.

Funny thing is I got warned for shooting too high cuz I repeated the 10 3-4 times in 5 rolls, change my throw to a low and slow and kept going for at least 30 mins.

There goes to them for whining lol.

Big roll at Paris, can’t get paid on it kinda pissed now.
Made 25 rolls twice and 45 rolls once today and I didn’t get paid crap on it. Rest of table eat my profits...
Pulling the plug is to consider.

DanF wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:01 pm Big roll at Paris, can’t get paid on it kinda pissed now.
Made 25 rolls twice and 45 rolls once today and I didn’t get paid crap on it. Rest of table eat my profits...
Pulling the plug is to consider.

Only time I won on the trip was with progressive come bets.

Shoulda, woulda, coulda. I guess time will tell.