Welcome to the Crapless Craps Corner

[AllahPena]

No one is beholden to RW. I just have the best deal and limits there so I mentioned it. I'd say more places than not have a crapless table at this point. Plenty of places to play

[DarthNater]

So it seems there are now 10-20 (WAG) crapless tables in Vegas. Surely we are not beholden to RW?

I count 19 Crapless tables so far: Bellagio, Aria, Park MGM, NYNY, ExCal, Luxor, Mandalay, MGM Grand, Paris, Bally's, Harrah's, Venetian, Wynn (2),
Resorts World (2), The Strat (2). I don't know yet whether there is one at Planet Hollywood or the Linq yet; nor the Trop; so chime in here if you know.

I believe that the reason several players are interested in the RW tables is that RW's maximum bet limits are $10,000; vice $5,000. I will need to hit a few more ATS to get to that threshold, but I also think the RW ATS maximum limit is $500/500/500. That I'd like to see.

DN8R

[House of Orange]

As Cosmo switches to MGM management, a crapless table should be forthcoming!!
Interesting that at $500 limit on the All, the shortfall on payout at 150-1 vs 175-1 is about $12,500!

[rhythm roller]

I believe Sahara had a Crapless last time I was there a few months ago.

[AllahPena]

RW info is not completely accurate... limits are still 5k unless you post 1M. ATS max is 500/100/500

[BigJohnOhio]

I count 19 Crapless tables so far: Bellagio, Aria, Park MGM, NYNY, ExCal, Luxor, Mandalay, MGM Grand, Paris, Bally's, Harrah's, Venetian, Wynn (2),
Resorts World (2), The Strat (2). I don't know yet whether there is one at Planet Hollywood or the Linq yet; nor the Trop; so chime in here if you know.

The Linq does not have a crap less table, just 4 regular tables counting the one in O’sheas.

The Flamingo has a crap less table as well. It’s not as firm as Ballys but it’s not as trampolining as others. I had a few good rolls on it back in January. Unfortunately it wasn’t open this past trip, the pit boss said they open it in the evenings when I don’t play.

[DarthNater]

The Flamingo has a crap less table as well. It’s not as firm as Ballys but it’s not as trampolining as others. I had a few good rolls on it back in January. Unfortunately it wasn’t open this past trip, the pit boss said they open it in the evenings when I don’t play.

OK, then we are at 20 Crapless Tables, thanks.

Let's see where # 21 will be, N8

[rhythm roller]

Ah, Sahara makes 21.

[DarthNater]

Ah, Sahara makes 21.

Thanks, and still a few more to bubble up, I suspect, N8

[heavy]

Has anyone checked out the Palms since it reopened to see if they have a Crapless game?

[heavy]

When we talk Crapless Craps in the seminars we do I always tell players to avoid the Pass Line and Come unless they're going to take max odds. That's because the Pass and Come odds are significantly higher in Crapless than at traditional bankers craps. Why? Sure, you avoid those come out losses on the Craps numbers, but you end up with very difficult numbers to win that Pass or Come bet on, including the Eleven. AND you do not score a Pass or Come win on the Eleven. It's not a "natural." It's a point number. So double whammy. As a result, you end up with the following combined house edge on pass and free odds in Crapless Craps:

1X odds 2.936% house edge
2X odds 2.018% house edge
3X odds 1.538% house edge
5X odds 1.042% house edge

Bottom line, you need to be betting 3X odds behind the line (minimum) to get near the same house edge (1,41% you'd get in Bankers Craps on a Pass Line Bet with NO odds. Only at 5X odds do you really gain an edge over the 0 odds bet on Bankers Craps. With 5X odds on Bankers Craps the house edge drops to 0.326% odds. Big difference over the long haul - and big difference NOT to bet the PL and Come unless you are a serious DI with good skills - and NEVER bet it on Randy.

[AllahPena]

Most of the time I won't even have a PL bet anyway and will just place it after. All fun n games til your point is 12. Lol

[rhythm roller]

Haven't seen a Crapless table at the Palms.

[DarthNater]

Haven't seen a Crapless table at the Palms.

Yes, three regular craps tables that each have the original 175 to 1 ATS payouts

DN8R

[heavy]

Thanks for that feedback on the Palms - no Crapless.

If anyone has any questions about Crapless Craps this is a great thread to ask them on. Those of us who happen to be posting on this thread are pretty much rabid fans of the game and play it frequently.

[BigJohnOhio]

Hey N8, could you swing by Bally's one day when you are out and about playing and see if they still have the crapless table? I have heard they do not and I found a crapless table for sale that was a Bally's table with the black raiders layout we played on. They wanted $12,500 for the table so I was not interested but I am hoping that is not the same table. I had several long hands on that table and hit the 6 point fire and the all several times on that table.

[DarthNater]

Was there multiple times this weekend. It is still there and they also have TWO crapless now at Paris.

Initially, I was shocked to see all the Paris and Bally's tables have new layouts, which have a nearly white background with a hint of mint and the Raiders logos remain. Given my shock, I feared the worse; however my fears were quickly alleviated when the Warden crushed the end table (yeah, that crappy POS) and we see its even more playable than when they had the black Raiders tables.

They still have the Fire and the ATS on all those tables with the reduced Fire payouts. Funny as the Cromwell hasn't done any of the recovering, while Paris and Bally's have done four recoverings since the covid reopening, and Cromwell still has the original $1000 to 1 Fire payouts.

$12,500 is insane, especially for those one-of-a-kind bolster cushions - those are the WORST!

Meanwhile the Flamingo still sucks, DN8R

[BigJohnOhio]

Thanks! That crapless has become one of my favorite tables in that area. I’m glad it’s still there.

[220Inside]

Two crapless at Paris? When did those go in and how do they play?

[DarthNater]

Two crapless at Paris? When did those go in and how do they play?

When they moved the craps pit to the other side of the bar, like late April. No reason why they moved the pit.

They seem ok, I’ve focused my efforts on the Bally’s crapless and dialing in what sets are best for me.

DN8R