Heavy's Axis Power Craps Forum

After watching the crazy Russian make a 30 roll hand (6 points) at Parx this morning, I had a revelation. I wasn't the shooter so I was able to be a bit more aggressive. The shooter on the other hand was more focused on his throw rather than his betting so his chip rail did not benefit much. Same thing happens to me when I shoot. The usual left brain / right brain conundrum.

From what I see, the solution to the problem would be to instruct the dealer to go up a unit on the number that just hit. And to do it automatically as he pays you. No need to ask you every time. That way you don't have to worry about your bets and can focus on the throw.

In my case it would be "Replace your bet and press mine up a unit every time." With you having a bet for them, they will hopefully make sure to accommodate your request. A no brainer!

Will try this out next time.

That's certainly one way that can at least help you take a smaller step forward in taking profit off the table when you catch a hand. To me though the more important approach is to know your press sequences enough in your head So that they're automatic. It's a mental muscle memory thing just like your toss mechanics that you work on at home.

Irukanji...that is a solution but, puts a lot of trust in the Dealer's hand. Know your Dealers!

Here...I'm inclined to go with 22Inside on this one because we have so many in-experienced or "in training" Dealers at least 50% of the time. They seem to ONLY screw up for you when YOU are throwing, then you realize it when it's too late!

I do agree with you though, IF you know your situation is trustworthy at that time. There are some Dealers here I would trust with my entire BR but, that is because I know/trust them. I could go to the CR (Comfort Room, Filipino for restroom ) and give them instructions and they would be carried out, and ALL my money would be there upon my return. Automatic bet and BR protection machine and they are NOT allowed to even be tipped! Dumb policy if you ask me...

Hell, there are times here when I would trust the guy next to me (that I don't even know) to bet for me rather than trust a young and green new Dealer. You know what I mean...Billy Joel said it, "It's A Matter Of Trust."

scout wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:43 pm Hi DanF,

Thanks for the detailed clarification.
When you review your results, what percentage of time would you say you find yourself in each betting strategy?
Are you more comfortable with one over the others?

Great recap of your betting and press moves.

Good question scout. I would say,
15% dark side, 30% regression, 55% progression is about rightful of my habits. In clear I regress twice as much as I darkside, rest of time I am building up from cheap 1-2 box or inside betting...

Soo often we get caught with 150-200$ on table early in play while powerpressing bets. Lock it up and start over...keep in mind average is 8 rolls.

anything will work sometimes. Probably OHCM on randies after the 2nd roll (avoiding come out 7-11 and the PSO) ..using the DC. Or some use the doey/don't but yr locked into a PL bet. I just go $18 6 and 8, same bet..so I've recovered $21 and am in the pit for $15 on a shooter. Just starting at a table with a shooter I might go down to $12, but not much these days. Nowadays I start at $30 on myself and regress after one hit. That works on a $15 table which I am seeing more and more of.

Because when I am shooting I also have a PL non removeable contract bet in the mix. So let's say I am at $30 6 and 8. On a $10 table I have $70 at risk. One hit at $35 and I bring 6 and 8 to look like $18 each. Now I have $46-$35..$11 at risk. With an RR I have no PL bet. So $36 at risk..one hit is $21..I now have $15 at risk. That's ok with me. 2nd hit and I'm in the money either way. If I am shooting and I feel good..I will simply take that small risk and press up to $42 for for those greenies.

I agree with Dan F about the regress. I too have found that it is best to get in and get out quickly, I tend to bet more conservatively. I usually go for on a 10$ table, 81$ across for 3 hits after the point is established on a DI player. Then I take down to table minimum.
If the shooter's rolling more inside #'s, I may even remove the 4 and 10 bets all together. If the shooter gets hot then I will progress again slowly. If the shooter has not had 3 box # hits because he is rolling a lot of craps and yo's by the 6th roll, I will regress the bets even if they have not made the three hits because that nagging inside voice reminds me of the roll avg. It just depends on how the table is going at the moment. If he rolls his point, I may begin to press then.

On a RR, I won't even bet if I haven't seen him shoot. If he makes his first point quickly, I might throw in a bet on the 6 or 8 and see how it goes from there. Some RRs have a throw that even if they aren't a DI, you can tell "this ain't their first rodeo" at the craps table, I may bet on them slowly, and press slowly. I was at the casino the other night and three RR came up, (just out for a night of fun). One of them kept putting bets on the 5,6,&8 and having them "ON" during the C/O roll and putting down a $5 bet on the PL. He kept losing the place bets.... a lot. Finally I said to him, you know if you MUST bet on the C/O roll, why not put 6$ on the hops and 1$ each on the hard 6 and 8 and have them on. Or at the least throw 3$ on the reds to cover yourself. He just looked at me like I had two heads and continued to keep doing it. Apparently he did not listen to either of my two heads. lol I never made a bet on any of them and it WAS a good choice.

I must admit I am always a little nervous with that much out on the table until the 3 points have hit. Sometimes I can hardly stand it and must look off to the slots machines when the dice are rolled!!! Yes I have been burned more than few times too............... but you can pretty much get into "casino dollars" a lot faster if the sun is shining and all the stars in alignment with the shooter that shoots the 3 hits. A huge sigh of relief when the 54$ goes back in the rack(5$ min tbl, 27$ for 10$ min.tbl), next to the 63$-81$ profit.
I like Heavy's idea of a DC. I had never thought of that. I know a DC (on the PL) can be taken down at any time because it is not a contract, or a Don't come bet that travels to a number can be turned off.

I have a question, if I put say 50$ on a DC(PL), and once I have got my 3 point hit and regress, can I remove part of DC , say $25 and leave $25 on the DC or must I remove the whole 50$?

The DC is not a contract bet, so you can remove any or all of it. You just can't increase it.

Ok thanks!

Our old pal Gunny, who is no longer with us, had a play he called his Super Eight. He'd start out with a $10 PL bet and set a point. Then he'd bet a significant amount across . . . we'll say $270 or so, depending on what the point was. He'd leave that action up for eight tosses (on himself only - he bet very little on any other players) then he would take it down and put max odds behind the line (assuming up to 20X odds). He knew with his SRR he would average around 10 tosses per hand before sevening out. So he worked his action for eight tosses then focused on the Pass Line win. He was very successful with this strategy on himself. I would not think of using it on an unknown player.

Thanks for that play H! Sounds like a strategy to consider.

Eight tosses including the come out tosses? Thanks, Heavy.