Heavy's Axis Power Craps Forum

Heavy's Baccarat Battle Plan will show how to score enough of a win $ to
underwrite a modest assault on the craps pit.....

just me saying

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Never put money on the passline (do side) unless you must and place the bet instead. Up to a certain point. There is a point for all numbers where you make more on the passline with odds, or a wash, but for most of us on a 5 or 10$ table minimum, and we usually only put 10 to 30 on the odds, it is better to place the number. Of course when you shoot the dice and you have to put money on they passline, then yes the odds bet is best. When it comes to the 6 and 8 yes, you do have more at risk placing, but you also make more as well than placing odds even after you take away the extra you had on the placebet. A dollar win for me is a dollar the casino did not win. This strategy does not work for all dollar amounts. Do the math. You will see what I mean.

memo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:53 pm Pappy and I were playing at the tables quite a bit at about the time Mad Professor introduced the 204 bet. Not that it was new. All the moves were discovered well before that time (of course), however it was a combination rarely used. When done properly, it is a thing of beauty. Most dealers really like it once they catch on to what you are trying to accomplish. Memo

I remember reading MP's 204. Every number pays $50 for $1, right? But Don't remember his progression. Press every other hit?

Have a few I like:
For 6&8
18$ single bet six, split to 12$ 6&8 on winner.
18$ 6&8 to 30$each for 3$ or 18-42
6$ six to 18$ six for 5$ on winner.
12 to 36 for 10$ and switch on second winner. ...42$ bet 36$ collect.
42 to 90$ 1 change.
300-660-900 I still have to try, got locked at 300 so far but I used 30-66-90 a lil while from heavy... liked it. Rather go
12-36-42-90 now tho.

For 5&9
10-25 for 1
20-50 for 2
25-55-75
125 to 300

For 4&10...heavy’s press
25-50-100-200
Or mine
25-25-75-150

Dicepops wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:55 pm

memo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:53 pm Pappy and I were playing at the tables quite a bit at about the time Mad Professor introduced the 204 bet. Not that it was new. All the moves were discovered well before that time (of course), however it was a combination rarely used. When done properly, it is a thing of beauty. Most dealers really like it once they catch on to what you are trying to accomplish. Memo

I remember reading MP's 204. Every number pays $50 for $1, right? But Don't remember his progression. Press every other hit?

Dicepops,
MP would take two hits. (96 bucks), Then regress to 66inside. He had some sort of progression after that which is pretty straight forward. The problem is when you tell the dealer you are betting 204 across betting 25, 35 and 42 respectively... They get brain locked at 204.
Even worse if you have a pass line bet. In that case your across bet is 162, 169, or 179.

Dealers are used to adding multiples and visualizing in, say, columns. This bet asks them to add in rows and non multiples....Tilt! Easy to understand the confusion when you think about it. I strive to avoid the, Tilt.

Memo

memo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:13 am The problem is when you tell the dealer you are betting 204 across betting 25, 35 and 42 respectively... They get brain locked at 204.
Even worse if you have a pass line bet.

Dealers are used to adding multiples and visualizing in, say, columns. This bet asks them to add in rows and non multiples....Tilt! Easy to understand the confusion when you think about it. I strive to avoid the, Tilt.

Memo

For that reason I bet 3 units across and regress to 1 unit after two rolls if I'm playing a regression. Even a straight forward regression like that can be an EDE sometimes. I let the money balance out over time instead of trying to hit a specific goal every shooter.

After regression I play extremely aggressive. double up press, double up press, same bet,double up press, double up press, same bet. If I happen to be in the hole from short hands I do a second regression as soon as what's on the layout and in my rack gets me back to even and start over again.


A lot is going to depend on your bankroll and how much tolerance or bankroll you have to survive volatility. 2 or 3 short hands in quick succession and you have a significant hole to dig out of.

I usually buy in for an amount that is approximately 3 hands not making regression when I play that way. I do buy in for even amounts. No reason to potentially get under the crews or a pit's skin by doing an odd buy in like $462 etc in my opinion.

MP would take two hits. (96 bucks), Then regress to 66inside.

Coincidentally, $96 makes a very nice "across" bet. $15 on every number. IMHO once you get to $96 across you TAKE the first hit, locking up at least $21 profit. From there you choose one or two DOMINANT (repeating) numbers and press the hell out of them. Let's say the eight rolls next. Pays $21 - press from $18 to $42 (drop $3). Six rolls next - collect $21 and same bet. Ten rolls next - pays $27 - Buy it for $25 and lock up $16 or $17 depending on when the vig is collected. You now have two pressed numbers. Those will be your dominant numbers to press. Everything else gets "same bet" unless they really begin to dominate the roll. Then you can adjust if needed without adding new money to the game.

heavy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:38 pm

MP would take two hits. (96 bucks), Then regress to 66inside.

Coincidentally, $96 makes a very nice "across" bet. $15 on every number. IMHO once you get to $96 across you TAKE the first hit, locking up at least $21 profit. From there you choose one or two DOMINANT (repeating) numbers and press the hell out of them. Let's say the eight rolls next. Pays $21 - press from $18 to $42 (drop $3). Six rolls next - collect $21 and same bet. Ten rolls next - pays $27 - Buy it for $25 and lock up $16 or $17 depending on when the vig is collected. You now have two pressed numbers. Those will be your dominant numbers to press. Everything else gets "same bet" unless they really begin to dominate the roll. Then you can adjust if needed without adding new money to the game.

When betting across like that, at what point do you consider moving off of numbers that are not paying their rent?

Well, think about it. There are six box numbers. Average hand is 8.3 rolls in a random game. If a number hasn't rolled in 8 tosses I'd say bring it down and dance with the numbers you have pressed. I think 8 tosses is a fair shot.

Oops! Make that 98 bucks. I cannot add, even on a good day. I remember that at one time, I could add, but that was so long ago, I cannot remember...

Anyway, you can still make Heavy's 96 bet with two white chip change...
Er, or...Is that four white...?
Any body seen my marbles?

Memo

memo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:24 am Oops! Make that 98 bucks. I cannot add, even on a good day. I remember that at one time, I could add, but that was so long ago, I cannot remember...

Anyway, you can still make Heavy's 96 bet with two white chip change...
Er, or...Is that four white...?
Any body seen my marbles?

Memo

Yes, 2 hits on the MP204 would result in $98 back in your rack, since all bets in that strategy are set up to pay $50 for 1.

You have to stop using that common core math.

Eight tosses for a non paying number? Wouldn't you pull the money off that number a lot earlier and use it on a number that is repeating? Anyway that's what I do. It is probably way conservative. I use three shots at it rather than 8.

My fav money management move is when I get my first black chip collect I regress to 30$ 6&8 and 25$ ten.
Next hit I powerpress to 66/75. Last night it came alive and I poped 1125$ Profit in just a few rolls.

DanF wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:46 am My fav money management move is when I get my first black chip collect I regress to 30$ 6&8 and 25$ ten.
Next hit I powerpress to 66/75. Last night it came alive and I poped 1125$ Profit in just a few rolls.

Fabulous!
How about some more details or a session report; would enjoy seeing your press schedule

Congrats!! N8

Session was pretty fun actually, but started bad. Table was cold as hell so I was using my 1 bet spread to 3 bets. Was still down 120$ from a 360 buyin after 45 mins.

I had a decent throw but was over aggresive on it...
6&8 went 18-42-42-90 never hit 90, and nine went 15-20-55, never hit 55.

Then a randy hit an okay roll about 18-20 rolls with lots of spreading numbers, I got back to about 340$, next one was tWo PSO in a row.

Then I changed strategy on the holy grail roll of the night, lots of sixes and 10, a few others too.

Was in for 18$ on 6&8
6&8 went 18-24-30 (took a ten for 15$) 66-90-90
10 went to 15-25-50-75-100
Then I regressed to 30$ 6&8 and 25$ ten locking about 450$, and started to go aggresively for it.
6&8 30-66-66-66-150-150, collected the 150 only once.
Ten got live for another 25-50-75-100 and since the guy was a randy...yeah I regressed again. Only to turn my head and see the high roller racking 1050$ a pop on six from at 900$ 6 with a bunch of ther bets. Was about 30ish rolls, took 35 mins. Left from being down a hundred from 360$ start to having 1500$ in my pocket in 35 mins roll.
Could’ve gotten more, but I trusted my guts on a choppy night and went a big less aggressive then usual.

Brave moves. If you are shooting, you have a basic $46 vulnerability for how many rolls? Not counting the trash numbers that are thrown in between you getting hits on yr numbers. By the time you get to your goal of $100..it could be ten rolls or more. Really?

DanF,
Thanks for the details, including the regressions, that's a very productive 35 minutes. Did you ever spread to the four after all those ten hits?
I like the moves; I'm sure others here have their preferences on the pressing and the regressions, but I'll take a $1000 + from a randy anytime, congrats!

D.N8r

thnick wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:47 am Brave moves. If you are shooting, you have a basic $46 vulnerability for how many rolls? Not counting the trash numbers that are thrown in between you getting hits on yr numbers. By the time you get to your goal of $100..it could be ten rolls or more. Really?

I usually got more then 46 on my own rolls, prolly 66-70, which is usually paid in 6-10 rolls on good rolls, I seven out like everybody, but the quicker I get to 12-18 rolls it usually pays 400+ which I see pretty often and balances out my play, great rolls pay thousands, that’s the icing on the cake...but I rarely see it twice in a month. Usually a collection of 400-800 scores on good day and losses around 100-400 on bad ones.

I’m very diciplined and switch from heavy power-presses to regression moves on bad streaks.

Lately I’ve been agressive, but my throw followed a bit, which helps, but I do need to balance my play from time to time.

Still working on it, working numbers, angles and spins to find the magic recipe.

DarthNater wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:31 pm DanF,
Thanks for the details, including the regressions, that's a very productive 35 minutes. Did you ever spread to the four after all those ten hits?
I like the moves; I'm sure others here have their preferences on the pressing and the regressions, but I'll take a $1000 + from a randy anytime, congrats!

D.N8r

I know at some point I was up on pretty much every box but I regressed back to 3 numbers at some point which kept on coming, I like to play 3, seems like it works for me.

Like I said I could’ve got more, but I was cautious...liked the 66-150 for 7$ move a lot more then the 42-90. Think I will keep it in my base play. Locking 3 green and placing 2$ tips piggy on line bet is great too. Love that 66 bet a lot more then the 42 I used to do. And it lets me be less aggressive on start. Guy made like 12 sixes and 8 10’s and I was on it from start even before first ten...was just meant to be I guess.

I had a great fun going 18-24-30-66-66 you collect 5 green chips on the press and it goes smooth plus your bet is almost paid on first hit. Then comes the decision to go for the 150-150-300-660-900 or same bets/regressions...

I practice a lot and usually get a lot of box numbers and less crap I have to say. On a good day I barely throw a craps, yo or a 4. But I have bad days like everyone... tho when I shoot great I can afford to play twice a week and rake in.

London Shooter wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:38 am I think this raises a very good point about regression moves especially = always know what you are going to get given back to you as often there will be mistakes. If you sense a crew are a little inexperienced, then anything other than basic moves may cause too much tension in the air and that never seems to be a good thing at the craps table.

Often a lot of my moves are misconstrued, even fairly basic ones like dropping $3 to take an $18 six up to $42 with a break in dealer at Bally's which caused way too much fuss than it should have done.

Mostly a lot of it comes down to my Alabama accent

When regressing you need to ask the full payout, tell them to keep say 36, and place 6&8 at 18 each. Don’t have them count or you’ll get shorted.

Keep X and do this... push me the rest.