Heavy's Axis Power Craps Forum

Tgold wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 11:19 am An acquaintance does well by starting with the extremes and at same time starts a continuous pass/come til he receives a certain % of initial outlay. He wins with it and according to him the main nemesis is not seeing a 7 for 23 consec tosses(which doesn't happen very often), and or no or very few extremes show or no extremes early in progression. I think a Lay incorporated early could improve a system such as above.

Big O wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:52 am I was leaning toward a $20 horn on the come-out and then talked myself into a $25 World.

What am i missing? If you are using a horn rich set that you have confidence in why the one roll bet as opposed to just working the extremes? If you are the shooter the pass line makes the difference in money risked small. Is it just the payout on the 2 &12? I always liked the crapless because i didnt have to place a horn to protect my pass line.

Parson wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:41 am Well, after reading this from N8Ter this morn, I went downstairs with my coffee.... as if I walked right up to the table .... ok, $20 horn to start, set for my horns....

here was my toss in order ...

3, 3, 12, 3, 2, 7 That would be a helluva come out roll. I know i would not have parlayed - so not gonna pretend. Also whether or not a crapless table is not known of course. The most i would have done was $20,$40,$80, $100, ????? no idea what I would have done before the 2 rolled ...

How would you have played it?

22Inside wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:28 am

When I'm playing a comeout game with horn bets, I've started doing go up 2 units if I toss a 2 or 12 and 1 unit on a 3 or 11, with the "unit" being the current size of the bet. On long sequences like that, tracking the unit change as the bet size increases, really starts to bump up the bet size quickly. But you're still holding back a good amount in your rack.

So in your toss sequence (very nice by the way), that would have worked out to horn bets of 20, 40, 80, 240, 480, 1420.

In profit terms on each toss, if my math is correct, that would have worked out to 40 + 80 + 380 + 720 + 2580 = $3800 profit

Was this sequence with your 6-4/5-6 set?

Parson wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:41 am Well, after reading this from N8Ter this morn, I went downstairs with my coffee.... as if I walked right up to the table .... ok, $20 horn to start, set for my horns....

here was my toss in order ...

3, 3, 12, 3, 2, 7 That would be a helluva come out roll. I know i would not have parlayed - so not gonna pretend. Also whether or not a crapless table is not known of course. The most i would have done was $20,$40,$80, $100, ????? no idea what I would have done before the 2 rolled ...

How would you have played it?

Parson wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:16 am

22Inside wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:28 am

When I'm playing a comeout game with horn bets, I've started doing go up 2 units if I toss a 2 or 12 and 1 unit on a 3 or 11, with the "unit" being the current size of the bet. On long sequences like that, tracking the unit change as the bet size increases, really starts to bump up the bet size quickly. But you're still holding back a good amount in your rack.

So in your toss sequence (very nice by the way), that would have worked out to horn bets of 20, 40, 80, 240, 480, 1420.

In profit terms on each toss, if my math is correct, that would have worked out to 40 + 80 + 380 + 720 + 2580 = $3800 profit

Was this sequence with your 6-4/5-6 set?

Thanks for your view, It might of been time to pass the dice and cash out! and yes it was that set which has bizarre strings or runs with certain things, that single pitch 7 is spooky - and yes my seven was a 6-1

DarthNater wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:20 am

Parson wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:41 am Well, after reading this from N8Ter this morn, I went downstairs with my coffee.... as if I walked right up to the table .... ok, $20 horn to start, set for my horns....

here was my toss in order ...

3, 3, 12, 3, 2, 7 That would be a helluva come out roll. I know i would not have parlayed - so not gonna pretend. Also whether or not a crapless table is not known of course. The most i would have done was $20,$40,$80, $100, ????? no idea what I would have done before the 2 rolled ...

How would you have played it?

What an AWESOME string (with caffeine to boot) and a great segway for me to remind everyone about a spreadsheet I posted last year for wargaming horn bets Here's the link:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d ... p=sharing

To answer your question after fooling around with this spreadsheet, I developed the opinion that if you're going to play GWAG then PLAY!

Use ALL the proceeds from that first hit. Let's say we had a $15 PL that went down, so that $20 horn pays net $60, so I replace the PL leaving $45 and Press the horn to $60. Now we are going to have some FUN! That $60 horn pays net $180, replace your PL, so $165 left. Keep the black chip and press the horn to $120, put the boys on the horn with the change. Then that 12 pays $900, net $810, less $15 for replacing the PL = $795. I think I'd keep the Purple chip, press the horn to $300. Bingo that Shocka pays $1125, net $900, then less $15 for the PL....$885. Again, I'd keep the Purple chip, and press the horn to $500. Then the Snake pays $3750, net $3375, replace the PL, gives $3360. I want to keep those 3 Yellows, I'd probably go to either $700 or $800, as once you're up in this altitude the shrinkage from the 3 losing parts is apparent, even more so if its now a World.

So I've got three yellows and two purples, but knowing me I would probably have moved from the Horn to the World after that Midnight, especially if I was shooting from the end, that would be less, but who knows until you're in the heat of the battle. The start is a bit more planned as basically I'm starting at $5 per bet; the next is $10 per bet; then $15 per bet. Then double to $30 per bet after the first 2/12 which is the MP "Shooting from the Darkside" play. Afterwards make it divisible by 4 so the crew doesn't have to do too many fractions. My quick math says that's a net of $3845; now since it's a crapless table, my next choice is what is my starting bet on the four extremes. BTW I'd have also started with a $15 Field.

By the way, you know there's at least one Yo-rich set in your Coaster Column to flip those 3s, lol, DN8R

22Inside wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 11:30 am Yeah, I saw that set you were using in your latest YT video on crapless and the single pitch 7's on that set would have had me nervous, but if that is what BT is giving you, the data and numbers don't lie.

One thing I wanted to ask you about on the video was the string of 2 or 3 comeout 7's you tossed at the start. I might have used those opportunities to bump up the 3 way craps bet with some of the payout from the PL winner, rather than just going back up with minimum bet amounts, especially since you weren't on the ATS that would have needed to be replaced.

I believe the use of horn bets on the comeout is to avoid working the extreme outside bets and hedging them with a lay bet or any 7. In Lord Vader's case, it's not being able to make that lay bet which is causing the shift to use a horn bet inste

Was this sequence with your 6-4/5-6 set?

22Inside wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 3:45 pm I haven't checked my BT data to see what that set would look like for me, but at first glance I suspect it would not fare very well. But it works for Ed and his toss characteristics.

The only surprising one in that list is $25 at Hard Rock.