A Don't Pass Survival Kit

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A Don't Pass Survival Kit

Post by $5Bill » Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:40 am

A Don't Pass Survival Kit

I'm going through my computer and I found this post from Professor H way back on Feb 6th, 2002.

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« Thread started on: Feb 6th, 2002, 01:03am »

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All craps players need a survival kit.

Without one, you might find yourself twiddling your thumbs while waiting for the next paycheck.

Craps players often lose sight of the value of playing time. Streaks are infrequent, take time to unfold, and cannot be foreseen by mortals. Despite the fact that the odds are against us, the longer we play the more likely it is we'll benefit from an extended series of decisions that favors our particular method of betting.

A survival kit should contain these items: (1) a way to play on a small bankroll, (2) a method that makes it more likely than not that we'll be there when a sequence of favorable decisions develops, (3) a system of bankroll control, and (4) rules that tell us when to end a session.

Given the generality of these items, different kits can contain different specific items.


A Don't Pass Survival Kit
1. At a $5 minimum table, buy in for $110 (20 red chips and 10 singles).
2. Put all the chips into the front (betting) rail.
3. Wait until the shooter sevens out.
4. Make a $5 don't pass line bet.
5. If the shooter tosses three straight come-out naturals (7's or 11's), stop betting and wait for the next shooter.
6. When a craps 2 or 3 is rolled on the come-out, put the winning $5 chip into the back (winnings) rail.
7. Laying odds:
(a) Do not lay odds initially.
(b) After any three wins in a row (any combination of come-out craps and 7-outs), lay single odds:
(i) A point of 6/8: lay $6 in odds to win $5.
(ii) A point of 5/9: lay $9 in odds to win $6.
(iii) A point of 4/10: lay $10 in odds to win $5.
(c) Continue to lay single odds until a point is made--then wait for three straight wins of any kind before laying single odds again.
8. If the shooter makes three points in a row, stop betting and wait for the next shooter.
9. Use only the chips in the front (betting) rail to make bets.
10. Put all winning chips into the back (winnings) rail.
11. When no betting chips (those in the front rail) remain, total the chips in the back rail:
(a) $50 or less: quit.
(b) Between $51 and $134: move all the chips to the front rail, and continue playing.
(c) $135 or more: quit.

This method can also be used by those who are just beginning to play the don't. Once you've mastered this method--and have gained control of your bankroll--you can learn how to increase the odds laid during a run of 7-outs, thereby improving your chances of winning a session.

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Re: A Don't Pass Survival Kit

Post by heavy » Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:55 am

That was a classic, $5 Bill. Thanks for posting it.
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Re: A Don't Pass Survival Kit

Post by Mad Professor » Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:45 am

I often wonder whatever happened to Professor H. He was a prolific poster over on H's WrongWay board, and then he slowly faded away.

I'm wondering if health or betting-method had anything to do with it. I'm hoping for neither.


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Post by heavy » Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:48 pm

Probably attacked by cats and carried off into the desert after spilling all of that shrimp cocktail on his pants. (You had to be there, folks).

I do have a copy of Professor H's old DP progression. As I call he posted this after locking up a significant win on a 14 consecutive seven-out session. Here's the chart:


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Post by Dylanfreake » Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:11 pm

I think Professor H was, and maybe still is, a philosophy professor at City College of Los Angeles. I know he had a daughter that went to New York University and liked Bob Dylan.

Professor H guided me down the road of the Darkside and I think of his way of play often.

In the early days of my craps play , I played his Dont Pass Survival kit and after my bankroll increased moved up to his Odds Progression play.

The site he mainly posted on was the old Allcraps site.

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Re: A Don't Pass Survival Kit

Post by Golfer » Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:00 pm

I admired the Prof for his game and the nice way he treated his Mother-in-Law. Don't know if his Wife didn't like gambling or had passed or whatever. but he took his MIL to Vegas a lot.

I miss him. Maybe someday he will find the site.

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Post by tonfau » Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:19 pm

Just like the old days. Heavy, Golfer, Dylanfreak, $5 bill and tonfau all back together. You know us old craps players are like bad pennies we just keep popping back up. Good to hear from you guy's again.

Thanks!
Tony

P.S-this one for old df "Roll Tide Roll"

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Re: A Don't Pass Survival Kit

Post by Golfer » Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:45 pm

Tony nice to see ya. If we can Grits to say hello maybe Heavy will pop for some beers.

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Post by heavy » Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:24 pm

Grits is around here somewhere. Saw a post from him on Facebook today. He and the grandson had been out at the range shooting guns all day. Regardless of the fact that he is from Massachusetts, Grits is a true Son of the South.
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Re: A Don't Pass Survival Kit

Post by Dylanfreake » Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:41 am

Hey Tony,

When my "hogs " don`t feel good, I don`t feel good.

I`m not sure that Golfer knows what college football is? And $5Bill is saying, "What?" They think football is played on Sunday.

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Post by KrapsNovice » Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:58 pm

Figured I would bump this up so it does not get deleted. Might give this a try on my next visit to the casino.

Any thoughts on this method?

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Re: A Don't Pass Survival Kit

Post by London Shooter » Sun Jan 08, 2017 4:19 pm

Looks a great way to play the dont's especially if you have limited funds and want a simple, methodical way to play if you are new to that side of the game and want to gain the experience and feel of how the other side flows.

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Re: A Don't Pass Survival Kit

Post by Dylanfreake » Sun Jan 08, 2017 7:16 pm

When my bankroll was under $1000, I used this strategy a few times, with a session goal of winning a unit or two , which at the time was $3 or $6 , or $5 or $10. Back in the early 2000s, there were $3 tables at some casinos.

The key is to leave when you are ahead , no matter what strategy you use.

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Re: A Don't Pass Survival Kit

Post by stratocasterman » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:29 pm

Thanks for the bump. I will have to try this out for sure!
What Heavy said...
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Re: A Don't Pass Survival Kit

Post by Knick111 » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:23 pm

Greetings Kraps novice and Heavy and members,

Heavy, anybody out there---what does --- I figured i would BUMP this up so it does
not get deleted MEANS.

Jaime 1943.

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Post by KrapsNovice » Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:01 am

jaime1943 wrote:Greetings Kraps novice and Heavy and members,

Heavy, anybody out there---what does --- I figured i would BUMP this up so it does
not get deleted MEANS.

Jaime 1943.
Hey Jaime,

Heavy is deleting some of the old posts this one looked interesting so I brought it back to the top in hopes it will stick around. Hope all is well.

Take care,
KN

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Re: A Don't Pass Survival Kit

Post by heavy » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:13 am

Yeah, if there are any posts more than 3 years old with no additional posts on them within the last 2 years that any of you want to see "stick" around then feel free to get on that thread and post a comment. A new comment on an old thread will save it from being deleted.
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