Heavy's Axis Power Craps Forum

I have a friend that plays free play craps.He starts with $110 inside.He does pretty well with it.
I have played it with $44 and $66 inside to start.You need at least $66 inside to be able to regress two steps to get the full effect.Like most every thing else it worked good at times.

I used to have a copy of Benson's Craps Professional system but it's gotten lost in the shuffle through the years. At one time I was collecting systems and (back when I had the original APC forum) the forum members who purchased systems often sent me e-book copies. Several of the guys made hard copies of different systems for me. Frankly, I don't recall anything remarkable about Benson's Pro system. I believe Vowles may have a copy of it. I know the guy we call Luckiest Man Alive had it. Can I convince you to post the general concept of the strategy? For the record - in case you are concerned about system copyright issues - you cannot copyright a betting strategy. You can copyright the word-for-word verbiage, so you can't cut and paste the entire strategy. But you can say things like "It's a regression strategy with a single unit press every hit after the initial regression" for example.

Another way to accomplish this is to post a trip report where you don't describe the system itself, but give a blow by blow description of the play. Example, "Twenty dollars on the Pass Line, Hardways for $2 each working, $41 no four, $5 World. Come out roll - five is the call. Bring down the $41 no four and take $40 odds. Eighty five inside. Next roll - six. Collect $35 - Same Bet. Next roll - nine. Collect $35 - regress to $66 inside. Next roll - six. Up a unit." Make sense?

When you post something that simply says you won $4200 playing Benson's Craps as a Profession system without giving any detail it sounds like you're just a Benson shill. Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against Benson, Silverthorne, Mr. C., Nelli, Patterson, or any of the other guys out there who take the time to develop these strategies and them commercialize them. I just want to make sure they're on the up and up on how they promote their programs. I have multiple websites out there and will accept advertising on them if they're interested.

Anyway, enough of the soap box. Got any details for us?

Thanks.

I get it, but for the rest of the guys who have not been exposed to Benson's systems - a little more detailed example would help. Tough to do if you're posting from your phone. If you could run through a couple of hands with bet size examples, etc. when you get on a computer with a real keyboard I think it would help. Example:

Chart the table for two same-way decisions and follow the trend. If two passes bet $10 on the Pass Line. Shooter tosses a Come Out natural - parlay it to a $20 Pass Line bet. Always take single odds on the right side. If playing the Don'ts you do exactly the same thing, parlaying the natural winners on the 2 and 3 craps to $20 DP wagers and lay single odds. Play this way until you lose a wager, then wait for two more same way decisions before re-entering the game - again following the trend. Now, I don't know if I nailed that strategy or not, but I suspect I'm on the right track. I also suspect there is a positive progression on the bets involved. Again, any more detail on how you're playing would be appreciated.

Thanks.


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I may have a few misfiring synapses since I surpassed the 60 mark, but dice systems stick for some reason.

No, picking the dice up and dropping them in no way simulates a perfect (or even imperfect) toss. And what happens over the course of a few dozen - or a couple of hundred - rolls in no way relates to what will happen over the long run. You're going to have long streaks where the seven disappears - and streaks where it's there every time you turn around. That's just the way the numbers work.

I prefer no back-swing, but back when I first switched to the 3 finger grip I incorporated a little backswing - you can see it on a couple of my throws on the seminar DVD. You need just enough revs on the dice to get them to hang together on-axis. We did high-speed video analysis of dice rotation back around 2003 and determined that five to seven revs was just about optimal. I'd say dice landing 12 inches apart is not good - I'd say under four inches is optimal. The distance you land from the back wall depends on the table and the angle of your toss. Generally under 12 inches from the wall with a backhanded toss. Do you HAVE to set the dice at get them away in under 10 seconds? Depends on the casino. I think if you're taking more than 5 seconds to do it then you're taking too long.