Heavy's Axis Power Craps Forum

And while we're at it - how much do you press them by? Let's assume it's a $10 game. Tell us what numbers you have placed (if you are a place bettor). Then tell us when and how much you press - and why. Yeah, I know. Eighty percent of you are going to say you don't press until you've regressed so let's just skip that part. Is there a certain amount you have to have locked up in your rack before you press? Let's hear from you.

When I am shooting from DO SIDE :
GAME PLAN is place $96 across and press one unit on the Box Number that just hit.After third or fourth hit ,I reduce the $ at risk to table min all BOX NUMBERS and increase one unit on Box Numbers after two hits .

Then I'll run with it.

Short runs may sting but I'll just suck it up

Mostly I play DARK SIDE on other shooters and if they bust me on two D/C bets , I transition to the DO SIDE and play out the hand.

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Regress to 44 inside.

Add one unit to anything hit, treat each number individually.

When any number gets up to green (sometimes it happens) I go 42-60-90 or 35-50-75 etc.

Keep pressing till CZR runs out of money. (this part is theoretical, yet to occur)

6dollar6

I will do a regression..usually to 44 inside.
If things are rocking along well, I will add a 5, or even 10 dollar 4/10, as a seperate bet. I will press them every hit, a la Heavy...to the max until green chip buy, then parlay or press every other hit. If I am in one of those cycles or get a DI that is hitting them..What a gas, there is nothing better than collecting all those chips. Like many DI's, I tend to be streaky. Sometimes the 4's and 10's don't seem to stop

On a sensable level, I will not press the inside for about six hits. The hand is usually about ten tosses and of an average lifespan. If it goes on from there, I am positioned well. (especially if the 4/10 have hit)
If the hand ends there, I have made a nice profit. Any presses up to that point would have reduced it significantly.

So you ask..What about the 4/10...Didn't that reduce those profits?....Yeah, well, the ten bucks represets one of those inside hits. But man it sure satisfies the gambler in me.

Memo

When I am shooting, even on a $5 table I will come out with a $10 line bet and a $5 HornHi12. If I hit any craps and lose the line bet, I have paid for the linebet and made $1 profit at a minimum. If I hit a 7 I have made $10 and covered the the placement for the $5 HH12.
I then bet across all numbers a minimum $10 and sometimes, depending on how I feel, a higher bet (double) on the 4 and 10. That is becaise I throw alot of 4 and 10s with the V-2 or the CT Cross-sixes (which reverses the right die). ONCE I RECOVER THE COST OF THE LINE, I press every-other hit on any particular number. ie, If the 4 hits, I take the payoff. The next 4 that hits, I press to 25, and then so on moving to 50-100-200-400 .
I am consistent with thise because when shooting I really don't want to be thinking too much about betting strategy and /or payoffs. It takes me out of "the zone"!! CrimsonTide

We should predetermine if we will press on that hand. The most important part of a pressing schedule is the number of compounds providing everything else is equal. If we skip a couple compounds til say the third hit we really suffer on our net returns on that final winning hit(e.g., only receiving four compounds vs say six compounds).

My trigger: A winning hit. How often: Each hit. Either press from the beginning or don't press. If we don't start on the first hit or skip a press we lose the main benefits from the compounding effect(i.e., the # of compounds). "IF" one chooses to skip the first couple compound opportunities then imo one should make "one" big press and no more presses in that hand.

Ideally we want to press in a CONvergent series (>) relative to our base unit size. Too many players press in a linear /DIvergent series(<). A linear progression is inferior to an exponential schedule/ as we all know even with an exponential divergent series we still need to see at least one >=5ier win streak in our session to makeup for all the hands that ended with only 1-3ier runs.



All the best,
Tgold

On the six and 8 my press schedule never changes up to $180. No matter how bad of a day I may be having.

$10 Table $12 $12 $18 $42 $42 $90 $90 $180

$15 Table $18 $18 $42 $42 $90 $90 $180

My play When I hit at $180 is to drop $30 and go to $420. But I haven't been able to pull the trigger. I have been going to $300 instead.

I like going 180->420 as well. As I'm tracking 6 and 8 together in their own separate progressions, the first one that reaches this level goes to 420. The second goes to 300 then to 420.

22 inside,
I like that a lot. Think I will go to that press schedule on my 6 & 8. Thanks!

heavy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:55 am And while we're at it - how much do you press them by? Let's assume it's a $10 game. Tell us what numbers you have placed (if you are a place bettor). Then tell us when and how much you press - and why. Yeah, I know. Eighty percent of you are going to say you don't press until you've regressed so let's just skip that part. Is there a certain amount you have to have locked up in your rack before you press? Let's hear from you.

Naw, start low and slow. Place inside when playing right side and up every other hit.

On my last trip to Biloxi I reached $420 on several occasions on the six or eight but NEVER got a hit at $420. As a result, by the last day of my trip I was just staying at $180 and waiting for another $210. I figured I could content myself with two more black chips in the rack.

Same thing happened to me. I had thise two red chips twirling between my fingers......

heavy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:42 am On my last trip to Biloxi I reached $420 on several occasions on the six or eight but NEVER got a hit at $420. As a result, by the last day of my trip I was just staying at $180 and waiting for another $210. I figured I could content myself with two more black chips in the rack.

Yeah, you somehow wound up lagging me a bit on that big hand I had at Hard Rock. I got my 6 collected at $420 and then pressed up to $900 but didn't get beyond that. Let's do a repeat of those big hands again in March.

22inside wrote;

Yeah, you somehow wound up lagging me a bit on that big hand I had at Hard Rock. I got my 6 collected at $420 and then pressed up to $900 but didn't get beyond that. Let's do a repeat of those big hands again in March.

Talk about lagging. I felt like i was riding drag on a cattle drive in the wake of yalls dust. I had set a hard and fast goal to not loose any money on that session. I had lost on two previous sessions there. I accomplished my goal. In large part because of 22ins hand, but my cautious betting and superstition about putting new money on the table in the middle of a big roll caused me to miss out on the pumpkins. Ill be ready next time.

I can't tell you how many times that i have been at the table and not taken advantage of a long hand i have said to myself damn i'm missing a hand that could get me even or ahead for the session, day or trip! On a recent trip i had $90 on the 6 or 8 and usually my next move would be to $120 i took the $105 and went down to $12 a few more hits on the 8 and one of my friends had it up to $300 and took a $350 payout.
from 12 30 42 60 90 120 150 300 420 600

slowdriver wrote: ↑Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:54 pm I can't tell you how many times that i have been at the table and not taken advantage of a long hand i have said to myself damn i'm missing a hand that could get me even or ahead for the session, day or trip! On a recent trip i had $90 on the 6 or 8 and usually my next move would be to $120 i took the $105 and went down to $12 a few more hits on the 8 and one of my friends had it up to $300 and took a $350 payout.
from 12 30 42 60 90 120 150 300 420 600

As easy as it is to do, you can't Monday Morning Quarterback your results, if you come to the table with a progression plan and stick to it. There are tradeoffs in any strategy, aggressive or conservative, you need to find one that keeps you in your comfort zone. It's a constantly evolving process.

Granted that we do (or should be) looking back on prior session results. However, I try not to do it with an eye towards looking at them from a short term point of view, but more so looking for trends in what about my normal progression schedules I keep questioning and whether or not making some sort of an adjustment to them is appropriate, and whether I'm prepared to expand my comfort zone to do so.

In hindsight, it's always easy to look back on a session and say if I would have made that big press move here I would have made a killing. But those observations are generally made with the additional knowledge that the move would have paid off. Whether or not you have the stomach or bankroll to support that move as part of your general strategy is a different question altogether.

On myself, I don't press my bets because I use the Kelly system.

On other DI/Rhythm rollers, I basically do a system I posted here long ago, but basically after I spread my bets across (my initial bets are pretty much paid back by then) I do a 50% press every time. I only reduce if I see something upsets the shooter or if the shooter themselves turns off/reduces their bets.

32 or 34 inside. Sometime I press after the first hit. But if I'm i tight mode. I will wait untill I get a second hit on the number. Then full press, Like 5 or 9, hit toss em a dollar and go to quarter. 6 and 8 go to 24. First hit at 24, go to 30.

For me, it depends on the shooter, what betting strategy I'm using, and how my session is going so far.

When I'm shooting, I am generally up a unit right from the start, after taking any regression into account.

Currently my starting play on myself is $102 even ($30 6 and 8, buy 4 and 10 for $20).
First hit on 6 or 8, the hit number regresses to $24, the sister number regresses to $18
Next hits on those numbers goes 24-42 or 18-30-42, then I'm into my normal progression schedule

First hit on 4 or 10, the hit number goes to $30, the sister number regresses to $15
Next hits on those numbers goes 30-50 or 15-25-50, then I'm into my normal progression schedule

If I'm scaling back on myself a bit, I'll use $66 even to start. 6 or 8 go up a unit on first hit. 4 or 10 go to 25 on first hit.

For randies, I'm generally same bet on whatever action I have out there until all bets are paid for. If they start stringing together a dominant number, I may go up a unit a little earlier on it before everything is paid for.