Heavy's Axis Power Craps Forum

I'm not sure I understand the strategy of betting "No 4 No 10" to protect a DP line bet. Aren't there just as many ways to roll a 4/10 combined as there are to throw a 7 (six each)?

If I am missing something please let me know. Otherwise, let's say you want to lay against the 4/10 to protect another bet from the 7-out, do you prefer to lay half on each or put it all on one number? Why?

Hello:

Disclaimer: I'm certainly no expert on this forum. I am assuming you are referring to the ricochet method written about by John Patrick.

I like this play and have used it many times. You lay only one number, the 4 OR the 10, as they are mathematically, least likely to hit. Then you play the DP. If a seven rolls you lose your dp, but profit on the lay bet - a wash if your bet amounts are compatible.
You only have the lay in action while your dp is in action, one roll, unless a 2 or 3 is thrown setting off a profit on the DP.

John Patrick describes the RICOCHET method..

good luck

When betting both No 4 and No 10, on a loss (a 4 or 10 is rolled) you will only lose half of your combined wager. On a win, you will win the full amount of both bets. "Well why wouldn't I always play this way!?" Because you are increasing your chances of losing by twice as much.

Betting both instead of only one or the other is just a way to reduce variance.

I use the 2v set. It produces many 4's and 10's. Watch out for that set if you are laying.

The Ricochet starts AFTER a come out roll travels to a point. The puck is now on!
Step 1) You lay bet the point, or any of the box numbers. John Patrick recommends Lay betting the 4 if the point is either 4,5 or 6 or Lay bet the 10 if the point is 8,9 or 10. Either $41, $31, $25 based on what point number you choose.
Step 2) At the same time you make the Lay bet, make a $15 Don't Come bet. Add a $1 Yo if you want to hedge the c/o 11.
Step 3) When the Don't Come bet travels to a box number, you take down the Lay bet and make a 2nd Don't Come bet for $10.

The theory behind the bet is to make the DC bets the dominant bet. The Lay protects the DC against a next roll 7, the $1 Yo the 11.
The $15 DC hedges the $10 DC waiting to travel.

The reason you are making this bet is for a cold table.

The down side to the bet is a "ricochet" or repeat roll on your lay bet, or a shooter hitting your DC's.
Replace lost DC bets up to 2 times.

Tom

Hedging a DP with a Lay bet ain't bad..........if you accept a diminshed return. That being said, in the right circumstances it is a powerful moneymaker.

Use caution. I myself prefer a 6 or 8 lay bet with a hardway hedge. The 4 and 10 are expensive when they lose.

Good Luck